Subj: Re: epithemy 
Date: 11/26/03 1:18:08 PM Pacific Standard Time

Believe it or not... Most of the people who visit your website every day, do so to see SCIENCE. We DO NOT visit it in order to be inundated with socialist, anarchist propaganda on the leading page. You find NO fault in any other government, organization or person KNOWN to support terrorism, subversion and intelligence in it's most hideous forms. I can tolerate a pacifist, even an anarchist... But I do not SUPPORT political propaganda from any party or individual, and there are millions like me... A lot of us visit your website, but we do so for science news and scientific views. I have read your socialist, anarchist crap and now you can read my view, unless of course you don't practice what you so vehemently preach.

What really riles me... You have the unmitigated Gaul to quote the leadership of the Nazi party to justify your own philosophy. What does that make you? Roosevelt initiated Martial Law after the attack on Pearl Harbor... Does that make Roosevelt... A Nazi? Bush did not initiate Martial Law after 911... He could have. Does that make Bush a Nazi? All Bush has done is take action against a tyrant after the Gulf war of 1991 and 11 years and dozens of UN resolutions after the UN failed to act on Iraq's failure to disclose the disposal specifics of their weapons of mass destruction. The UN did not act for purely political reasons... France, Germany and Russia had vested financial interests in IRAQ that were controlled by Sadam and his sons, and would not agree to any sanctions. The very same is true in IRAN and North Korea today.

Did Sadam support terrorists... I drove by offices of almost every terrorist organization in the Middle East on several occasions when I visited there, one was located a few buildings down the street from the United States Embassy. Did the CIA create Bin Laden... Probably, but in the years of the cold war the CIA utilized whatever humit they could (as did Bin Laden) to fight Soviet aggression in Afghanistan. We left Afghanistan in the hands of Bin Laden and the result was the Taliban. That is a mistake we learned not to repeat and why we are staying in IRAQ now.

Remember the next time you ask for money. You have a right to your opinion and to put whatever you like on the website that you ask visitors to support. The difference is... Like my TV set, I can turn your website off and not support it. SO... Once again, I (for one) will fold my tent and drive down the internet highway to Keeley Net.


My best friend, National Guard, just got shipped off to Bush's illegal and impossible war in Iraq and I have a son that might end up in Iraq because of the disgusting little Fascist beanbrain, George Bush. It is my responsibility to resist.


Dwight D. Eisenhower, 1961 In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.
We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes.

We should take nothing for granted. Only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of the huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.

Smedley Butler, War is a Racket: During those years, I had, as the boys in the back room would say, a swell racket. Looking back on it, I feel that I could have given Al Capone a few hints. The best he could do was to operate his racket in three districts. I operated on three continents.

In a minor coup, some General takes over the government of a single country. In a Grand Coup the entire world order is transformed. The whole Enlightenment heritage has been abandoned: constitutional government, civil liberties, balance of powers, government accountability.International law has been abandoned, and national sovereignty is becoming a subject for nostalgia buffs.

[Un]PatriotAct Expansion Moves Through Congress


11/27/03 1:04:02 AM Pacific Standard Time


I have a nephew in service, I was in service, two brothers were in service,
one served in Viet Nam and one died in service. Two more nephews may go to
service... I've heard all this crap before.

BUT, this doesn't really have anything to do with Bush or our government...
It has to do with you. If it were not Bush, it would be whoever is President
or Prime Minister. I personally don't care what your political philosophy
is, you had a nice little thing going with your web page until you started
with the propaganda. Now, it's going to shit while you preach your diatribe
and ask people to support it with donations. NEWS FLASH... We don't tune in
to your web site for that.

SO... keep on! Watch the numbers and support dwindle. You don't care, your
say! You have a higher calling! I don't give a damn about your higher
calling or philosophy... I'll go somewhere else for my daily dose of
abstract science.

Dear HogFarm:
Any politician, nope, the Brat-Bonesmen playing CroMagnon tiddlywinks

George Bush, Skull & Bones and the NWO - part 2 of 4


These rites of passage into the upper ranks of the WASP Establishment are capped by the expeirence the Bonesmen go through in their final year at Yale-the year in which they actively participate in the Order. For the vast majority of the initiates, the process of inculcation with the ideas of WASP supremacy, an American Calvinist version of what British imperialist writer Rudyard Kipling called the "White Man's Burden," began at prep school.


According to author David Halberstam's best-selling critique of the Kennedy years, The Best and the Brightest, the JFK presidency marked the high point of Skull & Bones postwar power. But it also marked the beginning of the secret fraternity's fall from the position of unchallenged power, and the beginning of America's precipitous decline as a world power. All these factors are summed up in one word: Vietnam.

John Fitzgerald Kennedy's Cabinet was largely handpicked by Skull & Bones elder statesman Robert Lovett, who was personally approached by Joseph Kennedy, the president's father, and asked to shape the direction of the new administration Lovett had been one of the architects of the World War II industrial mobilization under President Franklin Roosevelt, which helped bring the United States out of the Great Depression. He had been a factional opponent of Averell Harriman within the Skull & Bones circles, initially opposing the Cold War containment doctrine and pushing the idea of Atoms for Peace during the early years of the Eisenhower presidency (l952-1960).

Kennedy had personally asked Lovett to join his Cabinet, but Lovett, a partner in Brown Brothers Harriman, preferred to shun formal government service. Instead, he placed a number of younger Bonesmen into the critical posts. McGeorge Bundy was appointed Kennedy's National Security Adviser. Averell Hamman was made Under Secretary of State for Asian Affairs, a position that placed him in charge of many of the most critical decisions along the way to disaster in Vietnam. William Bundy remained in a senior post at CIA.

The decision to escalate the American military involvement in Vietnam-a rejection of Gen. Douglas MacArthur's prophetic warning that the United States should never engage in a ground war in Asia was made by members of the Order. According to some accounts, President Kennedy began to have senous second thoughts about escalating the war, particularly after several private Oval Office discussions with MacArthur.

With Kennedy's assassination, American soldiers began pouring into Southeast Asia. Harriman remained a fixture of Vietnam policy under President Lyndon Baines Johnson. McGeorge Bundcy remained on as LBJ's National Security Adviser untill , when he left government service to assume the presidene; of the Ford Foundation, the largest tax-exempt philanthropic agency in the United States. The Ford Foundalion annually dispenses of nearly $3 billion in grants.

In his capacity as president of the Ford Foundation, Bundy helped finance the anti-Vietnam War movement. The National Student Mobilization Committee, the umbrella group for the entire New Left of the late 1960s and early 1970s, was led by David Dellinger, a Yale graduate. Episcopal Church activist William Sloan Coffin, a Bonesman, a second leading figure in the anti-war protest movement, had previously served as a CIA officer.

Thus, the Order had its hands in two critical elements of the policy debacle of the second half of the 1960s. Some leading Bonesmen helped shape the disastrous limited war strategy in Vietnam, while other members of the Order, at least tacitly, contributed to the growth of the drug-rock-sex counterculture by nourishing the New Left soil from which it sprang.

As a result of the Vietnam debacle, the "Stimson Kindergarten" literally drove itself out of the corridors of power which it had occupied without challenge for the previous 20 years. With the election of Richard Nixon as president of the United States in November 1968, a different team came into prominence. The politics of that team were personified by Henry A. Kissinger, Nixon's National Security Adviser and Secretary of State.

In a May 1982 speech in London at the Chatham House headquarters of the Royal Institute for International Affairs, Kissinger boasted that he was an enthusiastic follower of the late British Prime Minister Winston Churchill, and that throughout his years in senior government posts under Presidents Nixon and Gerald Ford (1974-1976), he had always consulted more frequently with his counterparts in the British Foreign Office than he had with officials of his own government.

Although Kissinger had enjoyed early patronage from McGeorge Bundy, when the Bonesman was Dean of Harvard University and Kennedy's NSC adviser, the Kissinger era marked a low point in Skull & Bone's government power. The Central Intelligence Agency, a hub of the Order's clout, was decimated by scandals that only compounded the damage done to the Agency as the result of its role in the Vietnam disaster.

According to some respected writers, for example, Jim Hougan, author of Secret Agenda), the CIA attempted to reverse the route by helping to bring down Richard Nixon in Watergate. There is significant evidence to bolster some of these accounts.

When Gerald Ford became president in August 1974 following Nixon's resignation, Skull & Bones made a brief comeback. In what came to be known as the "Saturday Night Massacre," Ford, in the autumn of l975, removed Henry Kissinger from his post as NSC Adviser, replacing him with Gen. Brent Scowcroft. Kissinger ally James Schlesinger was fired as Secretary of Defense and replaced by Donald Rumsfeld. And CIA Director William Colby, who had dueled with Angleton, was fired and replaced by Skull & Bones member George Bush.

If these maneuvers were intended to be the first step in a more ambitious comeback by the WASP warrior faction, the plan was short-circuited with the election in November 1976 of Jimmy Carter as president. It would really not be until the inauguration of George Bush as president in January 1989-a dozen years later-that Skull & Bones would resurface with the same degree of governmental power that it had enjoyed during the Stimson years. George Bush's selection as Ronald Reagan's vice presidential running mate in the 1980 and 1984 elections was the transition back to that power.

Many things had gone wrong in the years since Vietnam to drive the Bonesmen off the center stage. With more than a little input from Bonesmen like McGeorge Bundy and Averell Harriman, the United States had gone into a period of scientific, technological and industrial retreat. The Nixon decision on August 15, 1971 to remove the dollar from a fixed, gold-backed exchange rate system, had triggered a move toward double-digit inflation, urban decay, rising unemployment and soaring interest rates. The Kissinger-orchestrated Iranian-Middle East oil crisis in the early l970s had contributed to a rate of deindustrialization that ultimately transformed the United State from the biggest creditor nation in the world to the world's biggest debtor nation. According to estimates compiled around the time of George Bush's inauguration as president, the total U.S. internal indebtedness had skyrocketed to more than $12 trillion.

By the way new incoming comet-torpedo


: My friend, National Guard, just got shipped off to Bush's illegal and impossible war in Iraq, and I have children [do you?] that might end up in Iraq because of the disgusting Fascist Skull & Bones Administration. It is my responsibility as a father and a citizen TO RESIST [based on painstaking and painful research]. Some of you think ORBIT is just about solar watch-- it is not. Although many others have helped ORBIT is my workshop and voice. If you disagree on particular points do so intelligently in forum which has been provided for debate. Quit sending me pissy email, stick your neck out in forum and back it up!

WAKE UP and be seen- -Wanna Wrestle, do it here--Indignant Old Fart, Kent