Fwd by Jason at Center of Attention. This is the first time Hans has ever posted such an alert so he's not prone to alarmist reactions. If anyone can verify or explain this, please contact me. Jason >Return-Path: >Date: Mon, 18 Aug 1997 05:15:16 -0600 >From: "godard j. p." >Subject: HIGH ALERT! > >This is to everyone. >I just received a special storage analyzing oscilloscope. >Using my "UFO" sensing equipment, I have found that there is a >frequency being broadcast, probably world-wide, if my fears are >correct. The frequency is sitting extremely stable at 14.28571429 >Kilo-Hertz. It has a persistent modulated wave-shape. The relative >wave-form does not change much, although the whole pattern throbs >slightly. This is within the higher range of human hearing. Being on >continuously, it would cause a counter-reaction in the brain.(amongst >other thing) I suspect that people do not even realize that it is >there. It may have been present for any length of time. What its >purpose is, bothers me. I fear it may be deadening some otherwise >normal function. Perhaps it could be a wave which acts as a carrier to >monitor thoughts or speech. Perhaps it is used as a way to feed >instructions, or affect moods. There just has to be another factor >which allows the operator(s) to zero in on a particular location or >person. > >It could cause premature aging, or any number of illnesses. >It could cause paralysis. > >I would ask anyone at all, I don't care who or what, to check in their >area to see if indeed this frequency is present there. I would ask >Jason to please put this in print. The more people that hear about >this, the safer it will be. -Or it could trigger the end. Who the hell >knows. Check this out and see for yourself. > >Sorry if this is garbage to you, but I've been aware for a long time >and in different locations of some frequency being prevalent. It is >just now that I have finally achieved a break-through, thanks to the >combination of my old detector and this scope. > >Hans > > ************************************************************************ **** CENTER OF ATTENTION NEWSLETTER Twice monthly news and comment on UFOs, Spirituality, and Ascension 2221 Bowers Ave. Santa Clara, CA. 95051 COA Fax or Phone (408) 241-7981 Jason: jason@iptcorp.com Barbara: coa@pacbell.net NEW WEBSITE! ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: Clean Up The Air and the Weird Frequencies Date: 97-08-19 16:08:29 EDT From: LIAISON128 Hi, I wanted to let you all know of Bob Dratch's web page, which has just been updated. I was told by one of his co-workers on the clean air project that right after he downloaded the descriptions (in detail) on how to create this technology, AOL went down for a day. I was wondering why I couldn't sign on Friday. Anyway, from what they told me, this is the only place where this information is available. They also told me that there were some inaccuracies to the previous post regarding the "Clean Up the Air" project. If you go to the web site, you will get it straight from the horse's mouth, so to speak. Download, pass it on. It is much too long to put into an e-mail, plus the diagrams and pictures are too good to screw up in an attachment, so here is the web site. http://members.aol.com/bdelphin I also would like to tell you that Denver has been heavily impulsed with these 'weird frequencies'. After attending several healing workshops this past week and weekend, many of us, sensitive to changes in the environment, intuitives, psychics, healters, lightworkers, etc., have all picked up on what many are calling a microwave like frequency. (we're on to you guys) As for the weather in Denver, (the old desert like terrain) is changing into a tropical-like moist climate, where just about everyday, around the same time, tropical like thunder/lightening, sometimes hail, and heavy rains, come down. Many have commented that someone has got their finger on the button here. The hail stones were like bullets last week and birds were found dead along the roads. It was quite apocalyptic. There are "impulses" coming through here that are unusual and extraordinary. I was told that many of us are also responding to waves that the Ascended Masters are beaming down as well, preparing our physical bodies to merge with our lightbodies, including the planet's. Many are feeling a kind of lub-lub in the heart area, I was told this is not a heart murmur, as many are experiencing the same thing, it is a quickening of the heart chakra to merge with the higher heart chakra and the skip has to do with a sort of holographic pace maker that is preparing us for the quickening. The lower micro-wave like frequency being felt is going straight for the solar plexus where it hopes to program fear as a frequency. This is when you might feel feelings that do not belong to you. Discernment is so important now. If you're breathing, really breathing, you can clear this. Breathe in Love, breathe out fear. Stay with it, repetition helps. In light, Roxanne ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: Weird Frequency Alert Date: 97-08-19 20:05:41 EDT From: woody@j51.com (woody) There seems to be ALOT of interference on shortwave radio as of the last 6 months has been horrible. I suspect they also maybe transmitting interference over the high tension wires or maybe the wires are acting as an antenna/transmitter. I can't figure it out. But I have used other radios in vastly different locations with the same unbearable 60 cycle hum that is driving me mad. Even on WWCR 12.160 @ 12 noon it can be bad but they put out a stong enough signal to break through. The interference is hard to pin down. But I have heard this same annoying buzz on AM even. When I drive by some power lines. I know this is a common occurance but it almost seems as if they have taken an anamoly and are deliberatley causing a 60 cycle hum which CAN drive you crazy. It could be an appliance, but I have heard people call into Ted Gunderson complaining about the interference, from another part of the country. So I might be on to something. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: A reporter???? EEK. Date: 97-08-19 22:01:35 EDT Wes Thomas wrote: > Hans: YES? > > Could you provide technical details on your instrumention and > measurement > protocols? I'LL TRY, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE FINDS WHAT I FOUND AND > CONFIRMS THAT THERE IS SOMETHING, MY STATUS WON'T CHANGE ANY REALITY. > > Did you use a loop antenna or some other antenna system to pick up the > 14 > KHz signal? YES, IN MY ORIGINAL REPORT TO JASON, WHICH HE POSTED, I > DESCRIBED WHAT I DID. #32 COPPER WIRE SCRAMBLE-WOUND ON AN OPEN ENDED > FERRITE CORE. 1.4koHMS. AN OLD ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD COIL OFF A > LOUDPEAKER. THE CORE WAS 6 TO 7 INCHES LENGTH, ONE INCH DIAMETER. > > How did you manage to eliminate other explanations, such as > beat-frequency > artifacts, signals from computer monitors (which are broadcast for > many kilometers), signals from various electronic devices (tape > recorder > erase-head bias signal, which is in that range, for example). I WAS > NOT REPORTING THE SOURCE, MERELY WHAT I SAW. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE > SOURCE. THAT IS WHY I ASKED ANYBODY TO TELL ME, AND TO CHECK FOR > THEMSELVES. > Did you systematically scan the spectrum for other signals in the > ELF/VLF > region? How did you first detect this signal? NOT SYSTEMATICALLY AT > ALL. JUST SNOOPING TO SEE WHAT MY UFO DETECTOR SIGNAL WAS LIKE ON MY > NEWLY ARRIVED SCOPE. > > Do you have an oscillogram or data recording that I could examine and > I COULD SEND YOU AN APPROXIMATION. > if so over what period of time, what hours of the day, and what > locations? I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME SIGNAL I'VE PICKED UP FOR 5 YEARS, > AS THE DETECTOR BEHAVED THE SAME WAY. THE WAVE-SHAPE I SAW WAS THERE > FOR AT LEAST SIX HOURS. BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND MORNING, ROUGHLY, BUT A > LONG TIME FOR SOMETHING TO STAY THE SAME. THE DETECTOR ALONE WAS IN > NORTH VANCOUVER AND CANMORE, ALBERTA. THE DETECTOR WITH THE SCOPE WAS > IN CANMORE. > How did you measure the frequency so precisely with a scope? I > MEASURED THE TIME PERIOD, WHICH WAS GIVEN DIGITALLY FOR ONE WAVEFORM, > THEN QUOTED THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT FROM MY CALCULATOR. > What did you use as a reference frequency?THE TIME-BASE IN THE SCOPE. > Do you also have a frequency counter? I HAVE SIX LABORATORY FREQUENCY > COUNTERS WHICH I INTEND TO USE IN THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBSERVATIONS. > ONE PORTABLE COUNTER, AND VERY MUCH OTHER STUFF. > > What is the signal strength and if known, how did you measure it? If > not > known, can you give me an approximate idea of how strong it is? I CAN > SAY THAT THE SIGNAL COMING FULL BORE THROUGH A THRESHOLD-PEAKED FET OP > AMP GAVE VOLTAGE VARIATIONS ON THE SCOPE AS IT REPORTED OF AT LEAST 12 > VOLTS PEAK-TO-PEAK. > > Is it omndirectional? NO. > > What do you mean by "a persistent modulated wave-shape." Could > you state that in technical language? NO. AN IMAGE REFLECTED ON A VERY > CALM BODY OF WATER OUTDOORS WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE GENTLE > "THROBBING" BUT THE SOURCE OF THE "PICTURE" ITSELF DID NOT REALLY > CHANGE. I SUPPOSE THERE WAS AN EXTERNAL INFLUENCE ON THE SHAPE. THE MODULATION IS LIKE WHEN YOU USE AN IF ALIGNMENT SET-UP, USE YOUR GENERATORS, TUNING, ETC., AND SCOPE TO ATTAIN A DESIRED WAVE-FORM, OR SHAPING. THIS ONE WAS A POSITIVE-GOING SINE WAVE, RATHER WIDE, AND ON EACH SIDE OF THE PEAK MAYBE 1/4 THE WAY DOWN WAS ANOTHER PEAK OF LOWER AMPLITUDE. THE PEAKS THEMSELVES DID NOT PRECISELY MATCH EACH OTHER. > What do you mean by "The relative wave-form does not change > much, although the whole pattern throbs..." Please state in technical > language. SEE ABOVE, CAN'T TECHNICALLY, BUT SAY THE IMAGE IN A TV WILL > FLEX, AS CAUSED BY A REFLECTION. I DON'T KNOW. > > What led you to the conclusion that "Being on continuously, it would > cause a counter-reaction in the brain."? JUST A FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN, AND THE FACT THAT THE BRAIN WILL COUNTER-OUT A CONTINUED STIMULUS TO SOME DEGREE. > Is there some neurological basis for that or are you just speculating > here.? I SPECULATE, AND THERE PROBABLY IS A BASIS. > > Given that TV sets radiate a strong 15 KHz signal from yokes > (horizontal > drive frequency) and > that this mixes with various other signals, how did you eliminate > beat-frequency artifacts generated in nonlinear circuits? DID NOT > ELIMATE, THE SAWTOOTH SIGNAL IS AT 15750 HERTZ. BUT AFTER REPORTING > THIS, IT WENT AWAY. TV SETS STAY. I WILL SEE WHEN IT IS ON AGAIN, AND > DRAW THE SHAPE. > > I realize you probably wrote your note for non-technical readers, > but I would appreciate knowing exactly what your instrumentation > is and what procedures you used, and what leads you to the > conclusion that it's worldwide. IT JUST MIGHT BE. OR IT MIGHT NOT BE. > I'D LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE THEN WE COULD PERHAPS EXTRAPOLATE SOME > REASONS AND SOURCES. > Did you perform tests in other > parts of the world?NO, THAT IS WHY I ASKED READERS TO CHECK THAT. > > Thanks, Wes Thomas, journalist WELCOME. BUT BE WARNED, TRYING TO > EXPLAIN SOMETHING MAY PRODUCE CONFLICTING ANGLES. WHATEVER I AM, AND SO ON, DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE EVENT.IF THE EVENT IS REPETITIVE, AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE, THEN THAT SHOULD BE STUDIED IN PREFERENCE. REGARDS, HANS ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [Fwd: Weird Frequency Alert] Date: 97-08-20 01:48:05 EDT Good stuff. I forwarded to everyone else. I don't know why exactly, but the numbers shock me. Could it be a co-incidence? A sign of purposeful intelligence? Perhaps there is more to this than meets the antenna. I got other info about numbers too. Over 200 e-mails arrived today. Most asked for more knowledge, what it could mean, what to do. Only one pretended to dislike the whole business. I have only two more letters to forward to everyone tonight. Also Jon has something pertinent on his web-site. Anyone not liking so much e-mail, just let me know please, and I'll stop. Best to all, Hans. P.S. And thanks jason, and everyone. -Quick as lightning! ------------------------------------------------------------------- Hi Hans, I posted your original letter to Skywatch to another list I'm on and this is a reply that came back and may interest you. This Rife list is about Frequency Generators that are used for healing purposes and they deal with frequencies that go into your body and literally zap or explode or destroy viruses, bacteria, bad bugs. Anyway, it is another approach to look at. Okay, I just noticed sometimng odd about the frequency. It looks like it is a rounded up version of the numbers 142857. Having been a math major, I noticed something odd about this number. Multiply it by 2 or 3 or 4 or 5 or 6 and you still get the same six digits but from a different starting point. Multiply it by 8 or 9 or 10 or 11 ... and you get the same munbers (providing you add two of the numbers together. It also is 999999 divided by 7. Example 142857 times 3 =428571 same six numbers but starting with 4. 142857 times 8= 1142856 add the first 1 and last 6 and you get 142857. Well, I hope you find this bit of number theory interesting. Feldman. ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: high alert response Date: 97-08-20 05:36:44 EDT Don H. McDonald wrote: > 14.28 Khz (14.3) is one of several frequencies used on the Omega/VLF > radio bands for Marine and Aircraft navigation. It is due to be > phased > out the end of September due to large operating costs. > > I would tend to believe that this is what your looking at on your new > 'scope', not another conspiriacy theory about NWO types drilling into > your brain with radio waves. > > Don McDonald > FCC General RadioTelephone #PG-14-3181 > FAA Private Pilot, Ratings: instrument, multi-engine. Of course, Don. -That's reasonable. Why does the wave-shape not change? Why around half that freq. are there pulses shooting at 25-30 C/S (Hertz)? Further, what is happening at 840 KHertz? What is that Canadian Navy vessel, CKN 13 or 19 or 16 doing? "V V V de dahditdahdit dahdidah dahdit" Is there a reason why the Omega project would use the magnetic rather than 'static" spectrum? Is that where VLF works better? We know that there is a difference, otherwise they could just use audio-waves, right? Except the propagation might be seriously attenuated. I thought the Omega project, which seems to be a kind of a world-link of senders in sequence started around 10 KiloHertz., progresses in overlapping steps upscale. Tell me about the HAARP project, and by the way, what IS your interest in us nuts anyway, when you're peeking at the strange New World Order conspiracy theories? If you're into statistics, tell us what the world population is right now. Then please tell us what it is projected to be in four years. Finish it up by saying whether or not it might seem reasonable that drastic measures are called for.. But I am grateful that you responded, and in a helpful way to allay the panic that might otherwise erupt. Send me a stated-private letter with some theories you entertain. Thanks, but I'll stick to being suspicious here. After all, it'smore fun. And besides, how can every nation on Earth claim to have a world-debt? Hmm? To whom? The World Bank? The World Health Organization? The World Council of Churches? Etcetera. Where in the heck is the World Human Race Coalition? -Ask ICC (International Control Comission). But I can't talk about that. Thanks again for helping, write often. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [Fwd: high alert response] Date: 97-08-20 06:50:19 EDT You replied just as I expected someone like you to; babbling, incoherent, random thoughts and a general inability to create a basic sentence. I'm not a welfare office. Do your own homework and educate yourself, I shouldn't have to do that for you. But to answer a couple of your questions for free: ::Why does the wave-shape not change? Because it is a continuous phase synchronized carrier. Each carrier is time shared with each other. Find a good book on Omega/VLF and read it. Or start with this: 4. CURRENT OMEGA STATUS IS AVAILABLE 24 HRS/DAY THROUGH AN ELECTRONIC BULLETIN BOARD SYSTEM (BBS), OR BY CALLING THE OMEGA STATUS RECORDING AT (703) 313-5906. A. BBS PH#: (703) 313-5910, BAUD RATE 300 TO 28,800. THE COMMUNICATION PARAMETERS ARE EIGHT BIT WORD, ONE STOP BIT, NO PARITY. INTERNET ADDRESS: HTTP://WWW.NAVCEN.USCG.MIL, FTP://FTP.NAVCEN.USCG.MIL B. QUESTIONS REGARDING OMEGA STATUS/OPERATION MAY BE DIRECTED TO: PHONE NUMBER (703)313-5900. ::Further, what is happening at 840 KHertz? Maybe a broadcast station? It IS in the standard AM broadcast band you know. 840 kHz is dead where I live. ::and by the way, what IS your interest in us nuts anyway, ::when you're peeking at the strange New World Order ::conspiracy theories? I didn't know that Skywatch was a conspiracy mailing list. I am glad to see you admit you're a nut however. I won't even bother with the rest of your babbling diatribe. It's obvious you don't have a clue about RF, the EM spectrum, or even radio in general. Have a nice fun packed life, and be sure to watch your back. The Mason's have your number. heh heh. Don ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [Fwd: high alert response] Date: 97-08-20 06:50:19 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) I can't help but like Don. I react the same way. I reported what I think I found out, but obviously, well. I am considered crazy by some, nuts by many, and a generally INTERESTED-IN-WHAT'S-HAPPENIN' type of guy. He's right about the amplitude-modulated broadcast band, but I said magnetic, not electrostatic. I don't know to be honest, if any stations broadcast by magnetics. Nor regular pulses instead of music. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: A reporter???? EEK. Date: 97-08-20 02:21:14 EDT Wes Thomas wrote: > Hans: YES? > > Could you provide technical details on your instrumention and > measurement > protocols? I'LL TRY, BUT IF ANYONE ELSE FINDS WHAT I FOUND AND > CONFIRMS THAT THERE IS SOMETHING, MY STATUS WON'T CHANGE ANY REALITY. > > Did you use a loop antenna or some other antenna system to pick up the > 14 > KHz signal? YES, IN MY ORIGINAL REPORT TO JASON, WHICH HE POSTED, I > DESCRIBED WHAT I DID. #32 COPPER WIRE SCRAMBLE-WOUND ON AN OPEN ENDED > FERRITE CORE. 1.4koHMS. AN OLD ELECTROMAGNETIC FIELD COIL OFF A > LOUDPEAKER. THE CORE WAS 6 TO 7 INCHES LENGTH, ONE INCH DIAMETER. > > How did you manage to eliminate other explanations, such as > beat-frequency > artifacts, signals from computer monitors (which are broadcast for > many kilometers), signals from various electronic devices (tape > recorder > erase-head bias signal, which is in that range, for example). I WAS > NOT REPORTING THE SOURCE, MERELY WHAT I SAW. I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW THE > SOURCE. THAT IS WHY I ASKED ANYBODY TO TELL ME, AND TO CHECK FOR > THEMSELVES. > Did you systematically scan the spectrum for other signals in the > ELF/VLF > region? How did you first detect this signal? NOT SYSTEMATICALLY AT > ALL. JUST SNOOPING TO SEE WHAT MY UFO DETECTOR SIGNAL WAS LIKE ON MY > NEWLY ARRIVED SCOPE. > > Do you have an oscillogram or data recording that I could examine and > I COULD SEND YOU AN APPROXIMATION. > if so over what period of time, what hours of the day, and what > locations? I ASSUME IT'S THE SAME SIGNAL I'VE PICKED UP FOR 5 YEARS, > AS THE DETECTOR BEHAVED THE SAME WAY. THE WAVE-SHAPE I SAW WAS THERE > FOR AT LEAST SIX HOURS. BETWEEN MIDNIGHT AND MORNING, ROUGHLY, BUT A > LONG TIME FOR SOMETHING TO STAY THE SAME. THE DETECTOR ALONE WAS IN > NORTH VANCOUVER AND CANMORE, ALBERTA. THE DETECTOR WITH THE SCOPE WAS > IN CANMORE. > How did you measure the frequency so precisely with a scope? I > MEASURED THE TIME PERIOD, WHICH WAS GIVEN DIGITALLY FOR ONE WAVEFORM, > THEN QUOTED THE RECIPROCAL OF THAT FROM MY CALCULATOR. > What did you use as a reference frequency?THE TIME-BASE IN THE SCOPE. > Do you also have a frequency counter? I HAVE SIX LABORATORY FREQUENCY > COUNTERS WHICH I INTEND TO USE IN THREE-DIMENSIONAL OBSERVATIONS. > ONE PORTABLE COUNTER, AND VERY MUCH OTHER STUFF. > > What is the signal strength and if known, how did you measure it? If > not > known, can you give me an approximate idea of how strong it is? I CAN > SAY THAT THE SIGNAL COMING FULL BORE THROUGH A THRESHOLD-PEAKED FET OP > AMP GAVE VOLTAGE VARIATIONS ON THE SCOPE AS IT REPORTED OF AT LEAST 12 > VOLTS PEAK-TO-PEAK. > > Is it omndirectional? NO. > > What do you mean by "a persistent modulated wave-shape." Could > you state that in technical language? NO. AN IMAGE REFLECTED ON A VERY > CALM BODY OF WATER OUTDOORS WILL GIVE YOU AN IDEA OF THE GENTLE > "THROBBING" BUT THE SOURCE OF THE "PICTURE" ITSELF DID NOT REALLY > CHANGE. I SUPPOSE THERE WAS AN EXTERNAL INFLUENCE ON THE SHAPE. THE MODULATION IS LIKE WHEN YOU USE AN IF ALIGNMENT SET-UP, USE YOUR GENERATORS, TUNING, ETC., AND SCOPE TO ATTAIN A DESIRED WAVE-FORM, OR SHAPING. THIS ONE WAS A POSITIVE-GOING SINE WAVE, RATHER WIDE, AND ON EACH SIDE OF THE PEAK MAYBE 1/4 THE WAY DOWN WAS ANOTHER PEAK OF LOWER AMPLITUDE. THE PEAKS THEMSELVES DID NOT PRECISELY MATCH EACH OTHER. > What do you mean by "The relative wave-form does not change > much, although the whole pattern throbs..." Please state in technical > language. SEE ABOVE, CAN'T TECHNICALLY, BUT SAY THE IMAGE IN A TV WILL > FLEX, AS CAUSED BY A REFLECTION. I DON'T KNOW. > > What led you to the conclusion that "Being on continuously, it would > cause a counter-reaction in the brain."? JUST A FEAR OF THE UNKNOWN, AND THE FACT THAT THE BRAIN WILL COUNTER-OUT A CONTINUED STIMULUS TO SOME DEGREE. > Is there some neurological basis for that or are you just speculating > here.? I SPECULATE, AND THERE PROBABLY IS A BASIS. > > Given that TV sets radiate a strong 15 KHz signal from yokes > (horizontal > drive frequency) and > that this mixes with various other signals, how did you eliminate > beat-frequency artifacts generated in nonlinear circuits? DID NOT > ELIMATE, THE SAWTOOTH SIGNAL IS AT 15750 HERTZ. BUT AFTER REPORTING > THIS, IT WENT AWAY. TV SETS STAY. I WILL SEE WHEN IT IS ON AGAIN, AND > DRAW THE SHAPE. > > I realize you probably wrote your note for non-technical readers, > but I would appreciate knowing exactly what your instrumentation > is and what procedures you used, and what leads you to the > conclusion that it's worldwide. IT JUST MIGHT BE. OR IT MIGHT NOT BE. > I'D LIKE TO KNOW, BECAUSE THEN WE COULD PERHAPS EXTRAPOLATE SOME > REASONS AND SOURCES. > Did you perform tests in other > parts of the world?NO, THAT IS WHY I ASKED READERS TO CHECK THAT. > > Thanks, Wes Thomas, journalist WELCOME. BUT BE WARNED, TRYING TO > EXPLAIN SOMETHING MAY PRODUCE CONFLICTING ANGLES. WHATEVER I AM, AND SO ON, DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE EVENT.IF THE EVENT IS REPETITIVE, AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE, THEN THAT SHOULD BE STUDIED IN PREFERENCE. REGARDS, HANS -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: Weird Frequency Alert Date: 97-08-20 02:22:16 EDT Alan deWalton wrote: > I wonder if the frequency described below has anything to do > with EMNAG [the Electro-Magnetic Neural Access Grid], which is > allegedly a gigantic transciever network, if not an electronic > collective group mind, that the CIA and other agencies is in > the process of creating in order to simultaneously assimilate > and control the minds of all of those who have been implanted, > whether by intelligence agencies or aliens or both. Is our > planet being 'assimilated' on a psychological level? Read all > about it at the following URL: > > http://www.netti.fi/~makako/mind/elo_magn.htm THANKS! I'D NEVER HEARD OF THIS BEFORE, AL. I'LL FORWARD TO ALL. THERE REALLY SEEMS TO BE SUMPIN' TO THIS, ACCORDING TO THE RESPONSES STREAMING IN HERE. HANS > Sincerely; > > Alan -------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDITOR'S NOTE: is the following somehow related? LOS ANGELES (AP) - Communication between Earth and Mars Pathfinder was cut off after only three minutes of data downloading with no immediately known cause. NASA, which lost communication with the Pathfinder late Saturday, hoped to learn what caused the disconnection during a four-hour download session scheduled for late Sunday, said flight director Rob Manning at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. It also was unclear whether the Sojourner rover received commands to travel to Shark and Flattop, two rocks in an area dubbed the Rock Garden, Manning said. The rover originally was expected to reach Shark by Sunday after freeing itself from two other rocks. The crew communicates with Pathfinder and the rover through the Deep Space Network antennas on Earth. Subj: Re: [*STAR*] ALERT--what can we do? Date: 97-08-20 09:22:46 EDT From: egabriel@buncombe.main.nc.us (Elora Gabriel) What I'd like to know is whether anyone knows how we can protect ourselves from the negative frequencies. Please excuse me if this was discussed and I missed it. I have a new puppy and playing mommy plus working leaves little time... The fact is, however, I've been feeling weird and ill for the past 7-10 days. I know I'm sensitive and easily impacted by things. Thanks Elora -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: [*STAR*] ALERT--what can we do? Date: 97-08-20 09:42:23 EDT From: Phikent Somebody needs to get ahold of Dr. Patrick Flanagan. I think he has been working on a fairly simple white noise generator that counters the effects. Kento -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: HIGH ALERT - RESPONSE Date: 97-08-20 11:21:42 EDT From: Dee777 >This is to everyone. >I just received a special storage analyzing oscilloscope. >Using my "UFO" sensing equipment, I have found that there is a >frequency being broadcast, probably world-wide, if my fears are >correct. The frequency is sitting extremely stable at 14.28571429 >Kilo-Hertz. >> ----------------------- Dear Dee, Jason, Hans, and all, I recognize a pattern to the frequency number. The same pattern is given by the "approximate Pi" number, ofter derived from 22/7 = 3.142857143. The above number can be derived from 100/7 = 14.28571429. I have had many synchronicities about various numbers, including this pattern. Numbers involving the musical scales often reveal this pattern, as there are seven notes in an octave. The synchronicities with this number pattern happened about a year or so ago. Although I am not well-versed in music, I made some geometric shapes involving the numerical frequencies of music. It came out quite interesting, with many ancient Gematrian numbers. Right away, I received a letter from my friend, James Furia, with similar material, and he spoke of this same number pattern. James has some of his material at: http://www.lauralee.com/geomusic.htm Then, I fouund an old book that I had for a long time, and never picked up to read. It was "The Gurdjieff Work," by Kathleen Riordan Speeth. There are various diagrams and ideas about music. On page 50 is a drawing called, "The Enneagram." It is a star-like shape inside a circle, with nine points. I had drawn a similar one. I'll type in some of the text here: "If we think of the whole of creation as manifestation seeking to be reabsorbed into the Absolute unity we can see how the three perpetuates itself: three tries to return to the One; that is, in mathematical terms, 3 into 1, 1 divided by 3, which produces a recurring series, .333333 . . . The other points around the circle are connected in a way that reflects the tendency for manifestation according to the Law of Seven to return to unity: 7 into 1, 1 divided by 7 = .142857142857142, etc., a recurring series of six digits containing no multiple of three. Thus both great laws are represented on one symmetrical diagram in a way that reflects their complementariness and interrelationship." I have had a great many coincidences/synchronicities over the past seven years, and so often, they eventually seem to revolve around a certain verse in the Bible, Revelation 11:11. It's so strange, because I have never been a Christian. This number sequence is no exception. The first time I noticed it was when I used the numbers of that verse. It says the two trees stand up after 3 1/2 days, so I divided 11 by 3 1/2 to get 3.142857143. If any of you are interested in some of the other coincidences, you can read my article at the Pufori site: http://www.pufori.org/ It is called, "All About Revelation 11:11," and can be found under Articles, Dreams & Prophesies. Gearl Hawkins has found many musical connections to the crop formations. Some of his work is at: http://www.nh.ultranet.com/~lovely/hawkins.html As a dream researcher, I often find symbols in UFO/ET events. I agree with the theory that the ETs are the same as the ancient Watchers or Eliohim. They have always imparted symbolic messages to mankind. So, it is my opinion that the strange frequency is just that, a symbol, and we have nothing to worry about. In the Unity of Hearts, Joe Mason -------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION on HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-20 14:59:32 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Thomas Caldwell wrote: > Hans: > > I'm a researcher and I saw you post on Skywatch. I have a two > questions for you on the frequency information you have obtained: > > 1. Are there any directional characteristics or periodicy of the > signal? YES, DIRECTIONALLY. PERHAPS DUE TO REDUCING NULLIFYING > INFLUENCES. THE PERIODICITY I ASSUME REFERS NOT TO RECIPROCAL OF > FREQUENCY OF THE "CARRIER", BUT OF THE "TRANSMISSION" TIMES WHEN THE > PATTERN IS AS I DESCRIBED. I CAN'T SAY. > > 2. Any idea on source? YUP. > Please pass on to me anything else you have. WHAT WILL YOU DO WITH > IT. > > Thanks in advance, > > Tom > TOM: HOW MUCH OF MY PUBLIC REPLIES HAVE YOU DATE? -SAVES REDUNDANCY. SOME PARTS OF THIS LETTER ARE MISSING. I TOOK THEM OUT BECAUSE I'M IMAGINING THAT FLAGS ARE GOING UP HERE.MANY PEOPLE ARE ASKING WHAT I'M LIKE, THE REPLIES TO WHICH WOULDN'T ADD ANY CREDIBILITY TO WHAT I HAVE SHARED ABOUT THIS PHENOMENON. THERE IS OBVIOUS (TO ME) CONFIRMATION THAT YES, IT IS REAL, IT HAS MEANING AND IMPLICATIONS. ADD THIS TO THE IMMUTABLE FACT THAT IT HAPPENED. WHATEVER I AM OR AM LIKE CANNOT CHANGE THAT, AND THE PUBLIC AT LEAST, KNOWS THAT. I AM FULLY PREPARED TO BE DEBUNKED OR DISCREDITED, OR DEEMED IRRECOVERABLY GOOFY, BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS OUT NOW, AND MANY WILL PURSUE THIS TO THEIR FULL UNDERSTANDING IRRESPECTIVE OF MY PROFILE. SO, I'LL EXPOSE MYSELF SOMEWHAT. I AM 'WEIRD', PERSISTENT, ALL KINDS OF THINGS LIKE THAT, AND PHILOSOPHICAL. I ENJOY WRITING, AND THIS INCLUDES PURE B.S. AS WELL AS TRUTH. I AM SELF-TAUGHT ORIGINALLY, AS DESCRIBED IN "PARA-SCIENCE" ON MY WEB-SITE. BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY (TO ME) I DON'T HARM ANYONE AND DO BELIEVE IN BEING GOOD. IN FACT, ANYONE GOING TO MY SITE WILL CONCLUDE THAT I MUST BE SOMEWHAT SHORT OF A FULL DECK. AND YET . . . YES, AND YET. THESE SIGNALS MUST BE RESEARCHED AS A PRIORITY OVER RESEARCHING ME. DON'T FORGET THAT. SOMEWHERE ALONG, I WILL BE ASKED TO SWITCH TO SPECULATION, HUMOR, PROPHESY, CHANNELING, AND SO FORTH. VERY ENTERTAINING, SOMETIMES INFORMATIVE. ANYONE WITH EQUIPMENT CAN DUPLICATE WHAT I HAVE DONE REGARDING THE "FREQUENCY". THAT IS THE PRIORITY. FOR ANYONE WANTING CHANNELING OR PROPHESY, SEARCH FOR THE KEY-WORD "BAMBARA". I KNOW, TOM, THAT YOU WILL DO THIS, IF ONLY BECAUSE *nippon*. I DON'T GUARANTEE FACT ON THE WEBSITE. BUT MANY DO FIND FACTS CODED INTO THE WRITINGS. - SILLY AS THEY SEEM. THESE SIGNALS MUST BE RESEARCHED AS A PRIORITY OVER RESEARCHING ME. REGARDS, HANS --------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: steady tone (deaf?) Date: 97-08-20 19:05:11 EDT From: Name withheld--discreet newsgroup To all: I have a friend who is a lifelong ham radio "person." I forwarded the recent messages regarding the "steady tone" (only the messgae - no screen names) being picked up by the UFO enthusiast with the home-grown equipment. Following, is the response I received from my friend....... Regards, (Name Withheld) ------------------------------------------------------------------- (Name Withheld) This is nonsense. Someone doesn't have a clue. I certainly can't use any of my radio equipment to pick up the frequency. It is not RF as you indicate. 14.28... khz is well within the range of human hearing. It is an AF signal or audio frequency. A person can hear this sound, if their brain is working. I wonder about his knowledge of technical material. He hasn't a clue about electronics or test aparatus, it seems. The poster does not describe the coupling between his 'ufo detector' and the storage scope. If there is a connection, then the detector is 'sending' an audio signal to the scope. Matter of fact, since the writer says the 'relative wave form' doesn't change much it is a steady tone. Little modulation exists. It is a steady tone, nothing more. He must be deaf. Or, he's picking up artifacts induced from the electronic hookup because of his lack of knowledge. Big deal, John, the guy is picking up a steady tone. He isn't complaining about loud noises so the signal is certainly severely attenuated. Bottom line: nonsensical material. Have fun... b/// -------------------------------------------------------------------------- EDITOR'S NOTE: From Sheldon Nidle, a connection or not? From: L S Subject: Sheldon Update Aug 19 97 Update by Sheldon Nidle for The Galactic Federation August 19, 1997 (4 Imix, 4 Pop, 6 Caban) Greetings! We come before you on this day with some wonderful news. This information will concern the mass landings, your Ascension process, and the coming Earth changes. Before we commence our discussion of the above subjects, we would like to talk to you about the meditation exercise that was conducted last weekend. Our preliminary reports are that this global event was very successful. However, to assure the continued repair of these important grids, we would like to conduct a second meditation session from 7 Kan, 7 Pop, 6 Caban till 9 Cimi, 9 Pop, 6 Caban (August 22 to August 24, 1997). These meditations should begin at 21:00 hours (9 PM) local time and be about 15 to 20 minutes in length. What we will be doing is adjusting both the landing grids and the energy system that we have set up to lessen the ferocity of the coming Earth changes. It is essential that the Galactic Federation fulfill its commitment to get you through the coming Earth changes. Let us look at what we are presently doing to keep our end of the bargain. When we first arrived in your sector, it was our policy to look into your future and to see what the local Spiritual Hierarchy desired for your planet and for you, yourselves. The planet was to be fully restored to its holy, pristine and fully conscious self. All of you were here to act as the sacred stewards of this most divine world. Our task was to act as the pre-ordained catalyst for these most profound activities. Our first task was to assist the Angelic Realms by adding our energies and technologies to their most sacred tasks. This aspect we have done willingly. However, the stubbornness of both your so-called governments and your economic and social elites have caused us to delay the formal announcement of our arrival. This action greatly saddened us, but completely verified the reasons for our coming to assist you. Our actions are completely dedicated upon being in service to the Creator and to the Light. As for your planet, we immediately initiated an intense monitoring of its every activity. In the beginning, we noticed that it was in the late stages of its great transformation. We asked permission from the local Spiritual Hierarchy to attach important seismic monitoring instruments to both its surface and interior regions. These requests were granted and we then asked for a model of what the redesigned Earth would look like. Our request led us to learn that the near future Earth would be extremely different from the one that all of you are now used to. To us, this development meant that your present population could not survive these cataclysmic changes. When these changes are manifested, your planet will have added two continents and a number of new islands to its total. The oceans of your world will also be changed in size, area and depth. Your atmosphere will be vastly different from what you now see above you. Such drastic measures require drastic actions. However, the extent and timing of our actions were completely determined by the Spiritual Hierarchy. Our next set of movements was to slow down the timetable for these Earth changes if possible. The Spiritual Hierarchy assured us that a truly divine scenario was in effect. What they wanted us to do was both to step up our monitoring of the situation and to formally establish plans for a mass landing and evacuation scenario. As we noted in previous reports, we have fully complied with these aspects. Our fleet now stands ready to be set into action at a moment's notice. Also in compliance with the local Spiritual Hierarchy's desires, we have increased the amount of interference in the Earth's birthing process. The purpose of this interference is to permit the planet to shift when the divine plan so directs. This timetable is now engaged and will be activated in right divine time. In addition, it has also forced us to greatly modify our mass landing scenario. What you should realize is that the interval between this present point in time and the start of these foreordained actions is not very long. Indeed, you are in the tail end of a very brief transition period. Let us look at what is now occurring or is about to occur on your planet. Planet Earth's more intense actions will begin with a few large-scale warnings. We will inform you of these as so advised by the Spiritual Hierarchy. After it has become apparent to you that you are in the midst of overwhelming difficulty, we shall formally show ourselves to you. Then, at the prescribed time, we shall come upon your shores. During the course of these various activities, a great deal of responsibility will be thrown onto the shoulders of both the Earth's "star seeds" and her enlightened Earth souls. All of you must understand that this planet is about to be drastically transformed. It is almost as if you were caught in a building that was to have its interior gutted and then to be completely rebuilt. You would surely be in harm's way. Our purpose is both to honor and to celebrate life. We do not intend to put you into a very dangerous predicament. All that is about to happen are situations that will most definitely foster your spiritual, mental, emotional and physical growth. Remember, we are all in this situation together. We do not intend to lose you. The Galactic Federation's mass landing fleet is still on final stand-by. In the past few days, we have increased both the number of suppression raids by the defense forces and the evacuation exercises of the assigned Science and Exploration (S & E) teams. In addition, we have been checking on the changes in the Schuman Resonance, the Geomagnetic field and the Electrical field of your planet. Our agreed-upon procedure will be to allow a slight disclosure of those forces that are now at work both in and above your beloved planet. These actions will alert your psychics, as well as your scientists, to what is about to occur. In the meantime, we have just about completed the preliminary training of Earth's "star seeds". You are now ready for a much more intense and a much shorter training program. We have concluded that it is essential since we must make our mass landing on your world as flexible as possible. We have determined that this action will affirm the complete success of this most complex and complicated operation. As we noted at the beginning of this document, we are presently monitoring the energy system that has been established to permit your beloved planet to birth its new realities on a very divine schedule. These energy systems are tied into our global system of landing grids. These energy systems were slightly disturbed by those same actions that upset our landing grids. The last set of meditation exercises reset their energy patterns to a very nominal position. However, we desire to fit them "in" as tightly as possible. Therefore, we will utilize the next set of meditations to accomplish this feat. At this time, we must give you our enormous gratitude for your work on our behalf. By doing these spiritual actions, you are guaranteeing the success of this mission. You are also affirming that your world, as well as you, yourselves, will graduate together into a new and very blessed reality. Your Ascension process is also moving ahead at a very brisk pace. We have been informed by the Spiritual Hierarchy that the percentage of "awakened" ones has climbed to about twenty and one-half per cent. Additionally, we have learned that you have now reached another spiritual milestone. The attainment of the "awakening" percentage to over twenty per cent has permitted the development of a special inter-dimensional wave. This special spiritual wave will encase your population in a higher consciousness bubble. This higher conscious bubble allows the Spiritual Hierarchy to arrange an interlocking energy that prevents any possible interference with your Ascension. In short, you are now assured of being able to make your complete Ascension, one way or the other. This marvelous development will now add an even greater amount of flexibility to the Galactic Federation's mass landing operation. The moment has now arrived for us to conclude this very brief message. We hope that you realize that we now appear close to a resolution to this situation. However, please take note of the fact that this whole procedure is being run on right divine time. As such, we are beholden to our most divine ones for giving the moment when all our plans will manifest. Until that special moment arises, please continue to do your personal and group rituals. Also please use this time to continue your most wonderful spiritual growth. You are all in a time of transition - an eye of the great storm that surrounds you. As you pass through this period, know that you are not alone. We are here and will be here until this most vital mission is successfully completed. We now leave you with much blessings of Infinite Love and Compassion, Boundless Joy, and Orgasmic Prosperity. Selamat Ja! (Be in Joy!) Click here To print out the Global Meditation II, August 22 - 23 - 24, 1997 You may have noticed that we have been continuously putting a request for contributions below each update. Unfortunately, a great many people are ignoring this plea. We really do need your monthly donations while we are still in 3D, in order to continue to bring you this information. Unlike most websites that change their information monthly or several times a year, we bring you new messages several times a week. It takes a lot of time and energy to keep you informed this frequently. We do not ask for large contributions, but we do ask that they please be regular. We appreciate all of your support so very much. ------------------------------------------------------------ http://www.spiritweb.org/Spirit/conflight-l.html JW Can anyone please give the regualar mailing address of these people? John Winston. johnfwin@mlode.com ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: picture of wave-shape Date: 97-08-20 14:45:25 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) The wave-shape you see here is how it was. I must stress that this one is not sitting on 14.etc. The one I reported initially is not on 14 anymore. Those who have equipment, check to see if there is a wave at or close to 60-50 Hertz. "They" may be riding the power-line piggy-back with one of their signals. In that case it would be in the everyday household, who knows where? Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: [*STAR*] ALERT--what can we do? Date: 97-08-20 20:52:50 EDT From: egabriel@buncombe.main.nc.us (Elora Gabriel) Sender: owner-starfriends@esosoft.com Phikent@aol.com wrote: > > Somebody needs to get ahold of Dr. Patrick Flanagan. I think he has been > working on a fairly simple white noise generator that counters the effects. Thanks. I'll work on trying to find him. I know that he and his wife Gail (if I have the right people) created something called crystalline microcluster water--I have the name wrong but it'll come to me. If anyone finds him first let us know. Two of my friends recently visited a practitioner in this area. Now, the guy could have been a quack, but seemed intelligent & sincere. He claimed to have determined that the man was suffering from some sort of non physical virus (caused by a frequency bombardment). He says everyone is getting these. He also claims that since HAARP that a high percentage of people have heart palpitations and that this was rare before. This could be true. I've noticed that I'm getting them at times. Anyone else? Elora ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: COOKING SECRETS OF THE CIA! Date: 97-08-20 09:39:01 EDT From: myeika.h@proweb.co.uk (Myeika Harley) I have handed this email to Ali to answer, this is due to him having worked with radio and radar in the Royal Air Force for some time. And I think he might be able to explain. Please Read On....... > Kent > NEW: > There seems to be ALOT of interference on shortwave radio as of the last 6 > months > has been horrible. I suspect they also maybe transmitting interference over > the > high tension wires or maybe the wires are acting as an antenna/transmitter. The noise you hear that sound like H/T wires are indeed interference from Power Cables / Electric power Cables. Not just from the utility companies but inside your own home too. At the moment I am also experiencing great interference on my short-wave radios and on some of my VHF / UHF radios too. I have large antennas and antenna tuners along with filters of all kinds to kill unwanted noise, but they only kill so much and then you will loose the signal you want to hear as well, so they can make things worse sometimes. NOW here's a reason why we on earth are getting all this noise on our radio's. The earth is in phase with the sun on a yearly orbit,(you know the 365 day cycle) BUT it also has a EMF or (electromagnetic Frequency) cycle too. Every 5th or 6th year we are at a low EMF level and then for the next 5 to 6 years we slow rise to a maximum peeking on the 5th -6th year and then it slowly lowers again. and so this goes on. WE ARE at present nearing a rise again, peeking out in or around 1998-99 So I am afraid things will get worse for us SWL's If you are a Transmitter this is good. Because everything Electrical will transmit an EMF, or interference for the power cables, conditions are getting better. Imagine this, the earth is at its 5-6 year peak............you are a radio station in Japan. your station uses a kilowatt of power to send it's music over the radiowaves. This Kilowatt will be sufficient to let people in the UK hear the music. Staying with the Kilowatt of power, but imagine the Earth is at it's 5-6- year all time low. The kilowatt of power will only reach a few hundred miles away. This is because the EMF conditions are not so good. So the higher the earth is in its cycle the better the conditions for transmitting, but they are worse for receiving as you will hear everything and anything too well. Including interference. >I can't > figure it out. But I have used other radios in vastly different locations > with the > same unbearable 60 cycle hum that is driving me mad. Even on WWCR 12.160 @ 12 > noon it can be bad but they put out a stong enough signal to break through. High noon is a bad time to listen to signals if you want a clean reception, but if your interest is with finding as many signals as possible then this is a good time. Because of the suns position at high noon, the suns magnetic effect on the area it covers at high noon will increase activating the EMF particles in the air so to speak. if your country is in darkness you will only pick up local signals clearly, but you will pick up other signals from other country's who are at high noon. So if it was midnight in England, and I was listening on my shorwave radio, I would here signals locally quite clear but of a low power nature as I am in darkness. I would however be able to hear signals from country's who are in daylight. So for the long distance Listener it's more fun. At night I would not get interference from my surroundings or my local sources of interference. Another factor is that the people who have TV's and cookers and lawn mowers on etc...........They would all be asleep, this would cut out the interference too. > The interference is hard to pin down. But I have heard this same annoying > buzz on AM even. AM signals pick up more noise than any other type or mose of transmission. Because the nature of an AM signal is amplitude modulation, electrical power is a similar type or signal, we deliver electricity in amps (amplitudes) so this would create a phase or oscillation. It's a little like two people at either end of a small swimming pool both making waves towards the center of the pool. In the middle of the pool the water would be quite choppy. Well radio waves and electrical EMF will do the same in the air. This will be interference you will hear. >When I drive by some power lines. I know this is a common > occurance but it almost seems as if they have taken an anamoly and are > deliberatley causing a 60 cycle hum which CAN driveyou crazy. It could be an > appliance, but I have heard people call into Ted Gunderson complaining about > the interference, from another part of the country. So I might be on to > something. Yep you certainly are onto something............. but I think it's a natural occurrence of nature. If however it carry's on past the Earth 5-6 year peek, I will panic along with you. Let me know if this explanation helps. I will see if I can here WWCR in England ( could be a good contact.) Ask some Radio Amateurs for help if you need to hear this station clearly, they would probably tell you how to use filters etc. Talk to you soon. (Alistair on Gails machine.) ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION on HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-21 03:37:44 EDT From: whiteway@portal.ca (Bing Whiteway) This is nonsense. Someone doesn't have a clue. GETTING NASTY DOESN'T HELP. YOU ARE ALSO SHOWING THAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE OF 'RF' IS LESS THAN IT COULD B. >I certainly can't use any of my radio equipment to pick up the >frequency. It is not RF as you indicate. 14.28... khz is well >within the range of human hearing. THIS COULD EASILY BE 'RADIO FREQUENCY' IN THAT IT SEEMS TO BE ELECTROMAGNETIC RATHER THAN ACOUSTIC. >It is an AF signal or audio frequncy. YES, IT IS AN AUDIO FREQUENCY 'JUST BARELY' BUT NOT ACOUSTIC SO IT IS NOT 'HEARD'IN THE THE NORMAL SENSE IN THAT YOUR EARS DO NOT RESPOND TO ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES.. >A person can hear this sound, if their brain is working. THE REST OF THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE A DIATRIBE THAN AN HONEST EXPRESSION OF INTEREST..NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL HELPFUL. MAYBE YOU COULD TRY TO BE NICE AND HELP RATHER THAN TRY TO CUT! >I wonder about his knowledge of technical material. He hasn't a >clue about electronics or test aparatus, it seems. >The poster does not describe the coupling between his 'ufo >detector' and the storage scope. If there is a connection, then the >detector is 'sending' an audio signal to the scope. Matter of fact, >since the writer says the 'relative wave form' doesn't change much >it is a steady tone. Little modulation exists. It is a steady tone, >nothing more. >He must be deaf. Or, he's picking up artifacts induced from the >electronic hookup because of his lack of knowledge. >Big deal, John, the guy is picking up a steady tone. He isn't >complaining about loud noises so the signal is certainly severely >attenuated. >Bottom line: nonsensical material. >Have fun... YOU REALLY DON'T WANT HANS TO HAVE FUN SO WHY SAY 'HAVE FUN' >b/// Leo (Bing) Whiteway in Burnaby BC Canada...VE7UW @ VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NA ----------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: relocating????????! Date: 97-08-21 04:24:12 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) at the time of sending the wave-shape picture, the shape was sitting just above 60 Hertz. Now, it has MOVED to 52.63157895 KILOHertz! The wave-form remains the same. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-21 06:13:15 EDT DorisChu@aol.com wrote: > 1. Is this due to the Harp project or something else? Hi, Doris: -I > don't know. > 2. Who do you think (or what?) is causing this? I don't know. > 3. I know some governmental agencies are transmitting funny > frequencies. I don't know. > For what purpose? I don't know. > dc Thanks Doris. Sorry that I don't know. I'm trying to stick to the scientific train of thought, but I would love to switch to speaking as a psychic. I will have to do that after enough people start covering the "rational" approach. Just as an example, Yes, the HAARP could be causing it, that project is mysterious to me. Other thing(s) could be the cause. I stopped the bulk mailing list, but might make a new one. I'm afraid I might be causing an uproar here. I got a letter from one person asking to be removed from my list, and yet he was not even on my list! So someone else is using my "return to" and speaking on my behalf. It is easy for one to check where the mail came from. just open the letter, go to "view" on the tool bar, and select "source". -shows where it came from no matter whose name appears in the letter's header. Who is doing the frequency bit?Could be aliens! could be government. I doubt if it could be an individual alone. The purpose? Control of some kind. I would like to find out. It has to serve some purpose. I don't know if you went to my website, but I am mostly philosophical and "psychic" there in my writings. I had a nap for 4 hours, and got 7 letters waiting for me. Yours is the first on the list. I will forward this and the replies to all senders in this short list. Bing is the most knowledgeable person I have ever met - and I've met many people. Him I've known since 1969. My partner Jean Pierre is knowledgeable in the areas of history, people, and the entire subject of "the unknown" He has the largest collection of data. All in all, I am concerned that the signal may be part of something causing large changes. I naturally object to anything making changes without my knowledge and consent. Most people would object to being influenced in the areas of health and thought, not to mention livelihood. Other than that, I'm inquisitive. I like to find out things. I like to think. Many people like to chat or be entertained. I want them to go and experience what I experienced. I would like them to tell me what the heck is really happening. I would like them to help. Maybe then I could help them with some ideas. That is all my writings on the site are for, basically, opening new thought processes for them. The signal in question has relocated to 221.2389381 Hertz. The wave-shape is the same as before. Perhaps it could be that at different times, the frequency has to be different in order to "adjust" something. But the shape of the wave seems to be the working part. Well, let me know. Regards, Hans. ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: UN-EXCITING info . . Date: 97-08-21 06:20:13 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Bing Whiteway wrote: > On 1997-08-19 arkel@telusplanet.net said to whiteway@portal.ca > >X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.01 [en] (Win95; U) > >X-Priority: 3 (Normal) > >Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit > >Status: > >Hi: It's Hans again. > >There are some changes on the website. > >http://www.telusplanet.net/public/arkel/TECH.HTM > >Also, Colin has suggested that perhaps the HAARP project could be > >involved with the frequencies I told you about. I would > disbelieve > >that out-of-hand, UNLESS they are using the magnetic spectrum, > such > >as CKNwhatever, that ship which continually broadcasts a > >test-signal for about half a century or more. -They should have > >finished testing by now, right? > >They use both magnetic and static. Does anyone know more about > that > >ship? > >Regards, Hans > Hi Hans; I was just thinking about the low frequencies we are looking > at and > i wondered about the hydro companies and or the submarines. It seems > to me > that somthing maybe coming from them..i heard where BC Hydro was using > > somehting in the neighbourhood of 20khz for telemetry for thier > substations. > What do you think? > > Leo (Bing) Whiteway > in Burnaby BC Canada...VE7UW @ VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NA > > from the messy desk of Bing Whiteway VE7UW > > Hi, Bing: I remember also, reading about that! How in heck would I > pick up those 20 Hertz signals? Also, the pulses at that rate seem to be regular as clockwork. I haven't tuned them on the scope, just got the pulses off the UFO detector. I am concentrating on that wave-shape that has moved again to 221 Hertz.Intriguing. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION on HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-21 06:24:07 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) ing Whiteway wrote: > On 1997-08-20 Phikent@aol.com said to whiteway@portal.ca > >cc: alandewalton@hotmail.com (alandewalton), ElfaleaH@aol.com > >(aleah), > >In a message dated 97-08-20 14:59:32 EDT, you write: > ><< > >THESE SIGNALS MUST BE RESEARCHED AS A PRIORITY OVER RESEARCHING > ME. > >REGARDS, HANS > >(Kent Steadman) Snared a debunker for you as follows: > >------------------------------------------------------------------ > > >This is nonsense. Someone doesn't have a clue. > > GETTING NASTY DOESN'T HELP. YOU ARE ALSO SHOWING THAT YOUR KNOWLEDGE > OF 'RF' > IS LESS THAN IT COULD B. > > >I certainly can't use any of my radio equipment to pick up the > >frequency. It is not RF as you indicate. 14.28... khz is well > >within the range of human hearing. > > THIS COULD EASILY BE 'RADIO FREQUENCY' IN THAT IT SEEMS TO BE > ELECTROMAGNETIC RATHER THAN ACOUSTIC. > > >It is an AF signal or audio frequncy. > > YES, IT IS AN AUDIO FREQUENCY 'JUST BARELY' BUT NOT ACOUSTIC SO IT IS > NOT > 'HEARD'IN THE THE NORMAL SENSE IN THAT YOUR EARS DO NOT RESPOND TO > ELECTROMAGNETIC WAVES.. > > >A person can hear this sound, if their brain is working. > > THE REST OF THIS SOUNDS MORE LIKE A DIATRIBE THAN AN HONEST EXPRESSION > OF > INTEREST..NOT WHAT I WOULD CALL HELPFUL. MAYBE YOU COULD TRY TO BE > NICE AND > HELP RATHER THAN TRY TO CUT! > > >I wonder about his knowledge of technical material. He hasn't a > >clue about electronics or test aparatus, it seems. > >The poster does not describe the coupling between his 'ufo > >detector' and the storage scope. If there is a connection, then > the > >detector is 'sending' an audio signal to the scope. Matter of > fact, > >since the writer says the 'relative wave form' doesn't change much > > >it is a steady tone. Little modulation exists. It is a steady > tone, > >nothing more. > >He must be deaf. Or, he's picking up artifacts induced from the > >electronic hookup because of his lack of knowledge. > >Big deal, John, the guy is picking up a steady tone. He isn't > >complaining about loud noises so the signal is certainly severely > >attenuated. > >Bottom line: nonsensical material. > >Have fun... > > YOU REALLY DON'T WANT HANS TO HAVE FUN SO WHY SAY 'HAVE FUN' > > >b/// > > Leo (Bing) Whiteway > in Burnaby BC Canada...VE7UW @ VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NA > > Hi, Bing. Thanks for showing me this. You have to go to their site > and type the last lines of where you want to reply, or something. I > haven't done that myself. But nice of the editor to reply to you, anyway. And nice of you to stick up for for me there. I know you're just being honest, Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: what gives with all the criticism? Date: 97-08-21 06:31:13 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Bing Whiteway wrote: > Hi Hans; I just read some of the crap that you got. Boy oh boy are > there > ever a bucnh of twits out there. I see you got only one or two decent > notes..I also see you got a couple of notes to the guy that thinks you > may > be deaf as well as nuts..ha ha..he don't know do he? ha ha... RIGHT, > BING. NUTS IS ALL THAT MATTERS! I'M UGLY TOO, THEY GOT MY PICTURE! > I was thinking about what you could do to try to show what you > are > seeing...You may have to try to decode the signal using FM > demodulators. EG. > there is a chip that will do that...it is the mc1306..it does work at > 455 > khz so you would have to upconvert to the 455khz. You could actually > use an > old vhf receiver and open the 455 if and add a mixer to it. > using just a local oscillator like a signal generator and then put > mixer > dual gate fet then feed the output to the 455 IF and get the > demodulated > signal out of it so you would then be able to see any phase shifted > component of the signal..since you are unable to see much in the way > of > amplitude modulation, you might find this helpful. Many newer ways of > modulating signals needing narrow bandwidth are using phase shift > tecniques.. > One other thing, you might have more luck explaning things if you > were > to use the term electromagnetic waves rather than magnetic waves.YES, > BUT THERE IS ANOTHER AREA I WANT TO GO INTO REGARDING CAPACITIVE > TRANSFER SO I MIGHT HAVE TO CONTRADICT MYSELF IF I CALL IT > ELECTROMAGNETIC . ..this would > cause less confusion. I think the interconnection between the op amp > receiver and you scope is direct is it not? YES You do have the scope > probe > connected to the op amp outpout pin don't you? YES I wonder why > someone would > query you on this point? seems like they are simply trying to pick > holes in > your setup. From your description of what you have, I assume you took > a > ferrite rod and pile wound a bunch of wire on it and when you measured > the > DC resistance you found it was 1.2 ohms or whatever..I don't know if > you > added a capacitor and tuned it NO or if you simply used it as an > antenna and > thus were broadband.YES, ALTHOUGH I'M USING TWO OTHER OPTIONAL INPUTS > WITH A 1 MF NON-POLARIZED, AND ONE WITH 10 MF. NP THE INPUT IN > QUESTION IS DIRECT, HOWEVER..the coil was then connected to the input > of a properly > biased ua741 op amp YES, TO THE POINT OF BEING ABLE TO VARY THE NULL > OFFSET, VCC SUPPLY, AND GAIN. THE BIASING OF THE DIFFERENTIAL INPUTS > IS TUNEABLE ALSO. and this op amp output then connected to the scope > probe. I can see where this setup could confuze some people and the > reason > is, it is too simple. most people prefer to complicate everything they > > see.. > alas, many people try to cut everyone else down so that they will > feel > much smarter...this always pees me off but I see it a lot.. > > Leo (Bing) Whiteway > in Burnaby BC Canada...VE7UW @ VE7DIE.#SVI.BC.CAN.NA > > THANKS, BING. -HANS ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Replys from other lists about high alert Date: 97-08-21 06:42:04 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) I LIKE THIS, HARVEY! NEAT STUFF. -HANS Harvey Flatbush wrote: > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: harvf@iomet.com > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 04:32:48 -0400 (EDT) > From: Phikent@aol.com > To: eaglenet-list@theta.pair.com > cc: west@sonic.net (westhomas), ElfaleaH@aol.com (aleah), > whiteway@portal.ca (bingwhiteway), debbim@v-wave.com (brent), > CNINews1@aol.com (cninews1@aol.com), > deec921@tom.fe.up.pt (deec921@tom.fe.up.pt), > deva777@dedot.com (deva777@dedot.com), > eaglenet-list@theta.pair.com (eaglenet-list@theta.pair.com), > ebarker2@escape.ca (edbarker), harvf@iomet.com > (harvf@iomet.com), > hlimbert@voicenet.com (hlimbert@voicenet.com), > IamDorian@aol.com (iamdorian@aol.com), hickman@direct.ca > (inferno), > Jason@iptcorp.com (jason@iptcorp.com), > johnfwin@mlode.com (johnfwin@mlode.com), voltron@voy.net > (jonlocke), > LIAISON128@aol.com (liaison128@aol.com), > lizbeth@goodnet.com (lizbeth@goodnet.com), > LJonson2@juno.com (ljonson2@juno.com), > martin@sedona.intel.com (martin@sedona.intel.com), > paracom@connect.ab.ca (marv), mchugh@wwc.net (mchugh@wwc.net), > > Mermaid@telusplanet.net (moanna), nancylee@keyway.net > (nancylattimer), > obonfim@reed.edu (obonfim@reed.edu), Phikent@aol.com > (phikent@aol.com), > reipper@intergate.bc.ca (reipper@intergate.bc.ca), > Skywatch@wic.net (skywatch@wic.net), teeth444@v-wave.com > (teeth444), > ufology@nucleus.com (usi), axon@connect.ab.ca (wayne) > Subject: Re: A reporter???? EEK. > > In a message dated 97-08-20 02:21:14 EDT, you write: > > << WHATEVER I AM, AND SO ON, DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE EVENT.IF THE > EVENT IS > REPETITIVE, AND WITH OTHER PEOPLE, THEN THAT SHOULD BE STUDIED IN > PREFERENCE. > REGARDS, HANS > >> > > Duhhh--do you suppose there's a connection with: > > LOS ANGELES (AP) - Communication between Earth and Mars > Pathfinder was cut off after only three minutes of data downloading > with no immediately known cause. > NASA, which lost communication with the Pathfinder late > Saturday, hoped to learn what caused the disconnection during a > four-hour download session scheduled for late Sunday, said flight > director Rob Manning at the Jet Propulsion Laboratory. > It also was unclear whether the Sojourner rover received > commands to travel to Shark and Flattop, two rocks in an area > dubbed the Rock Garden, Manning said. > The rover originally was expected to reach Shark by Sunday after > > freeing itself from two other rocks. > The crew communicates with Pathfinder and the rover through the > Deep Space Network antennas on Earth. > > Also has anyone talked to Doc Pat Flanagan about all this? If we got > a > brain-squeezing frequency on our hands, maybe ol' Pat's white noise > generators might toss up a shield. No, I don't know what I'm talking > about. > Another thing I don't know what I'm talking about is a hip-pocket > suggestion > that someone build a wave-form generator based on the golden ratio (or > the > sine wave within the Fibonacci series). Do it quick, sayeth Zeus, > need some > harmony vibes in this batch of bees. > > Cheers > Kent Steadman, > an old coot artist, not a reporter > CyberSpace ORBIT > http://members.aol.com/phikent/kent.htm > > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~` > > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: harvf@iomet.com > X-Sender: rcrs@europa.com > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 01:19:44 -0800 > To: Harvey Flatbush > From: Robert Cathey Research Source > Subject: Re: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT! > > Maybe this adaptation of the neurophone technology is how they made > voters > brain-dead for the election of Ronald Reagon and George Bush. > > At 12:25 PM 8/19/97 -0700, you wrote: > --snip--- > > What its > >>>purpose is, bothers me. I fear it may be deadening some otherwise > >>>normal function. Perhaps it could be a wave which acts as a carrier > to > >>>monitor thoughts or speech. Perhaps it is used as a way to feed > >>>instructions, or affect moods. There just has to be another factor > >>>which allows the operator(s) to zero in on a particular location or > > >>>person. > >>> > >>>It could cause premature aging, or any number of illnesses. > >>>It could cause paralysis. > >>> > ---snip--- > > Roger Cathey, Director > ROBERT CATHEY RESEARCH SOURCE > 113 S.E. 61st Avenue > Portland, Oregon 97215-1234 > e-mail:rsc@europa.com > Fax: 503-238-0469 > Immediate Comments: rsc@europa.com > http://www.europa.com/~rsc/ > > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Return-Path: > Delivered-To: harvf@iomet.com > Resent-Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 11:24:19 -0700 (PDT) > Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 13:28:37 -0700 > From: stokes19 > To: rife-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: Harvey Flatbush : Skywatch: HIGH ALERT! > References: <19970820.101636.14431.2.PaulChubbuck@juno.com> > Resent-Message-ID: <"R841c1.0.1X.FPp-p"@mx2> > Resent-From: rife-list@eskimo.com > X-Mailing-List: archive/latest/8679 > X-Loop: rife-list@eskimo.com > Resent-Sender: rife-list-request@eskimo.com > > Paul A Chubbuck wrote: > > >>>>------> Harvey Flatbush <------<<<< > > harvf@iomet.com > > www.iomet.com > > <------<<<< Ione, Washington >>>>------> > > > > --------- End forwarded message ---------- > > Paul A Chubbuck wrote: > > > > I have heard of a huge broadcasting apparatus in the far north of > Russia > > that broadcast a low frequency continuously towards the US for > unknown > > reasons. Some have speculated the same things which you are > fearing. I > > believe it is mentioned in the book The Body Electric, but I've also > > > heard of it elsewhere. I would appreciate knowing whether the > signal you > > are finding is the same one I've heard about. Perhaps we need to > start a > > movement to raise people's awareness to this and get the to shut the > damn > > thing off!! > > > > Sit back, for we are controlling all transmissions, all that you see > and > hear is controlled > by us. > > beep,bebbebe,beep--- I love Bill Clinton, I love Biil Clinton, I love > Bill Clinton, > I love Bill > Clinton---------------------------------------------------- > ---------------------------------------------yessssss, I can hear it > now, > isn't it just glorious? > > CC > CNN News > Ted Turner > Janr Fonda > > ~~~~~~~~~~ > ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ > > Whatever you do: Do the best you can and next time do it better. > > >>>>------> Harvey Flatbush <------<<<< > harvf@iomet.com > www.iomet.com > <------<<<< Ione, Washington >>>>------> ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: GOOD WORK, WOODY. Date: 97-08-21 06:42:42 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) woody wrote: > godard j. p. wrote: > > > > woody wrote: > > > > > This interference maybe only in my area. Is there any way to > measure > > > this radiation off our electric, cable and phone wires outside? It > > > > seems > > > that our electicity is "dirty". Being in a suburb of new york city > I > > > can see how this would be as compared to a farm in the Midweast. > It > > > seems > > > that you may some kinds of equiptment to measure this. > > > > > Also according to Jose Sliva from his book, "Mind Control" (This > is > > > nothing about CIA-X's, this has to do with YOU contolling YOUROWN > MIND > > > > > > an execellent book in my opinion) you have brainwaves, Beta- > consious > > > waking state, Theta- dreams, Delta -not sure, but Alpha is the > state > > > that you desire- it is a relaxed focused state of mind where you > can > > > visualize the outcome. By visualising the outcome, you will it. > Jose > > > stresses he is a God fearing Christian, and says his technique > does > > > work > > > for nefarious purposes. Now what are these brainwaves made of? Are > > > > they > > > electric, magnetic, radio waves? Then how easy would it be to > disrupt > > > these waves ie.- disturb the Alpha to prevent concentration. The > more > > > that I write this at this moment, the more it seems to me this > would > > > probably be a very easy thing to achieve. Silent Weapons for Quiet > > > > Wars. > > > They keep us baffled with "microscopic bugs and implants" that we > > > > don't > > > see the simpler, cruder, forms of mass control. Alawys look for > the > > > diversion. > > > > > > > HI, WOODY. > > I HAVE ALL THAT KIND OF STUFF. > > I'M LOOKING FOR INFRA-RED EQUIPMENT NOW. THE OLDER THE BETTER. > > NEW YORK! YOU'RE NOT FAR FROM BUDD HOPKINS, THEN. > > -BEEN TRYING TO REACH HIM, PLUS CALLED HIM 5 TIMES. -HOPE HE'S > OKAY. > > > > TOOK OUT THE LAST LINE OF YOUR LETTER. > > THE MAILING LIST IS AT THE TOP. > > > > YOU GOT THE POINT EXACTLY. DIRTY HOUSEHOLD CURRENT. > > HEY, ANYTHING COMING INTO YOUR PERSONAL SPHERE COULD CARRY SOMETHING > NOT > > SAVORY. WINNIPEG HAD A WHOLE BUNCH OF DUCKS DIE FROM SOME VIRUS. > THE > > DUCKS ARE WAY DOWN HERE, TOO. NOW WHAT IF THE VIRUS WERE ENGINEERED > TO > > MUTATE FOR THE HUMAN BODY? DUCKS DO SWIM IN RESERVOIRS, RIGHT? > > REGARDS, > > HANS > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------- > Just to let you know I used batteries, and the same thing happened. > I will drive up into the park and run it off the car battery with > out the car running to see what I get. Away from wires. How about > HAARP jamming the airwaves? Can HAARP be set to different freqs? > Does blasting a billion watts of electicity into the atmosphere cause > radio slash similar to sun spot activity? THERE'S FOOD FOR THOUGHT! > Enquiring minds want to know! MINE IS ONE OF THEM. THANKS WOODY. AT > LEAST THERE ARE SOME THINKING HUMANS WHO WILL ACTUALLY GET ON THE > PLAYING FIELD, AND YOU'RE AHEAD OF THE REST. HANS ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: "analysis" of signal- update. Date: 97-08-21 08:37:32 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Got some more things happening, hang on. The analyzed wave-shape gives a vector in the fourth quadrant when the vertical and horizontal amplitudes are both NEGATIVE! Shouldn't it be the other way around? Along this vector which has magnitude and direction, and extends about 1/5 of its length into the second quadrant as well, there are intensities which slide up and down along the vector. Using an angle function, I get an almost isosceles triangle in the third quadrant. This has the "hypotenuse" extending beyond both the x and y axes. The "hypotenuse" is jittering along its own length, at the rate of the glimmering effect I mentioned in the beginning. As for angles, x to y=90 degrees x to hypotenuse = 5.6 y to hypotenuse = 5.65 The length of x as well as the length of y, is rapidly cycling in the tenths at this writing. Now switch to fanciful speculation. Someone has a face, and by the face you recognize that one. Sometimes the person smiles or frowns, or looks sad, right? But the recognition of the face remains. This is what I mean regarding the shape of the wave-form. It undergoes changes as it "smiles", and so on. It does this rapidly. Like it is scanning. And that is precisely what I'm curious about. Just as the expression on a face may affect our feelings, is it possible that if we hold the source of the signal steady, that it AFFECTS reality somehow? or our basic points of reference in our thoughts and health? Could it be the orbiting craft attempting to escalate Earth into a new dimension? Or is it of a nefarious nature, perhaps to weaken us and the laws of our physics? It is very hard to be healthy, sane, scientific, and so on, if the bases, our points of reference are being shaken. The signal is glimmering -changing expressions. It moves in that sense. ALSO it is making gigantic shifts in where it is to be found in the frequencies. Like a person dancing, say, or playing tennis. I feel rather than think, that the face or wave-form is the weapon, the expressions or glimmering is the manifestation of the weapon, and the frequency hops are where the face is looking, or the weapon hits. I do not know whether there are other faces, or whether this one face in particular is in more than one place at the same time. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: REQUEST FOR ADDITIONAL INFORMATION on HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-21 09:13:08 EDT From: west@sonic.net (Wes Thomas) Comments regarding message from "b///" ("debunker"): >I certainly can't use any of my radio equipment to pick up the frequency. It >is not RF as you indicate. b/// appears to be unfamiliar with antennas in the ELF/VLF domain. An 14 KHz RF signals requires special devices, such as a high-L coil and audio amplifier, as described by Hans. >14.28... khz is well within the range of human hearing. >It is an AF signal or audio frequency. A person can hear this sound b/// apparently is confusing audio (sound) and radio frequencies under 20 KHz. b/// may be confused by the fact that one can hear the 15.75 KHz sound from TV sets (assuming good high-frequency hearing). That's due to the fact that the horizontal output transformer in TV sets (especially older sets) mechanically vibrates (due to vibration of the laminated iron core) and therefore emits an sound wave that accompanies the (inaudible) RF signal it emits. If we could hear RF sounds in the ELF/VLF range, we would be constantly subjected to a 60/120 Hz hum from the ubiquitous electrical devices in our environment! (When the hum *is* audible, it's due to conversion to mechanical vibration, as in ballasts.) There are conditions where people *can* hear RF sounds directly, using a modulated microwave carrier, as in Prof. Alan Frey's work. >The poster does not describe the coupling between his 'ufo detector' and the >storage scope. Agreed. The description is too vague for me to understand too. >Little modulation exists. It is a steady tone, nothing more. Not according to WAVE.BMP, but again, Hans' description is too vague for me to comment on. >He's picking up artifacts induced from the electronic hookup because of his lack of knowledge. Since the hookup is not clearly described, that's a possibility. Another possibility is that he's picking up signals from computer monitors and other devices that emit signals in the 14 KHz range. Unless this system is set up in a remote location (away from all electronic devices) or under laboratory conditions, no meaningful conclusions can be drawn from Hans' reports so far. - Wes ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 18:28:32 -0500 (CDT) From: Simon Booth I've been hearing the same irritating buzz on AM, no matter how weak or strong the signal is. Here in San Antonio we have AM 1200khz WOAI at 50,000 watts that still lately gets interference, like something electrical is nearby but I know there's nothing electrical in the house or close by that would be causing the buzz. Here at night we can pick up AM 740khz KTRH in Houston usually clear with some mild static, but what I've heard lately is the station coming in clear with sudden bursts of loud static- a very loud 'roaring buzz', like major electrical intereference, that last a a minutes then suddenly stop. Sounds random. But again, nothing electrial nearby or in the house. The only things that I've heard cause interference has been the air conditoner and sometimes the 'bug-zapper' outside, but I know the sound of interference from those, and it's not enough to overpower strong signals. I've also had problems picking up WWV in Colorado on shortave 5,10, 15, and 20 megahertz, and the 5 and 10 Mhz frequencies usually come in very well at night. Simon ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: IUFO: Re: Weird Vibes, Man (more) Date: Wed, 20 Aug 1997 21:33:13 -0700 From: "Steve Wingate" Yes! I have noticed this many times on the local AM station that carries Art Bell's radio shows, KSFO. The station is on 560 KHz and only 30 miles away, but it is often almost unlistenable because of the loud 60 Hz interference, even when the antenna is orientated for the best reception. Sometimes it is very loud, and then stops completely. 60 Hz signals supposedly increase the suceptibility of the body to cancer. Steve ------------------------------------------------------------ Subject: Re: IUFO: Re: Weird Vibes, Man (more) Date: Thu, 21 Aug 97 11:56:02 EDT From: "Patrick K. Frye" Hi Folks, Concerning the disucssion of a buzz on the radio and TV and such stuff. I have, on occassion here at my house, seen two very large noise bars that I know are a video representation of a 60 cycle hum on my TV. The 60 cycle (hz) hum is instantly recognizable to people like me who work in the world of video and audio - probably other fields as well - and it drove me nuts that something in my house was introducing that into my power. I eliminated everything that was a motor - unplugged the fridge, pump, etc. - and the hum would show up and leave. I ask the engineerr types where I worked and they said that 60 cycle hum can be intoduced at another location and travel down the power lines. Apparently in the country or in an area where the drops/houses are further apart, the hum wil l go further before being dispersed. I guess in a city, because of the density of people, there is a higher probability that a person will be close to a motor of some sort. I also wondered whether some local had a radio pumped up t where he could light up a fluresent tube at two miles. We live in an electric world. I wonder what it was like to live one hundred years ago or so before there were so many radio waves and electric fields in the air arround us. Talk about bad vibes, the air/space is alive compared to 150 years ago. Here's resonating at ya', Pat ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: DON'T PANIC! IT'S JUST??? Date: 97-08-21 13:20:24 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Wes Thomas wrote: > Hans: Regarding WAVE.BMP: SORRY, EVERYONE, I CHOOSE TO ASSUME THAT > WES WANTS TO PROVE ME AN ASS. I APOLOGIZE TO WES IF THAT IS NOT THE > CASE. SO I'LL JUST GO AHEAD AND PROVE THAT I'M AN ASS ALL BY MYSELF. THEN YOU GUYS STOP TALKING AND START DOING. -CHECK OUT WHAT I REPORTED BY SEEING IF SOMETHING IS THERE OR NOT. DON'T CHECK ME OUT IF YOU WANT TO KNOW.PROVE IT FOR YOURSELVES, THEN HOLD A CONCENSUS AND ANALYZE WHAT IS HAPPENING AND WHAT TO DO ABOUT IT. IT MAY VERY WELL BE THAT WE CAN SAFELY SAY THAT THERE IS NO CRISIS. > HOLD IT RIGHT THERE, I SAY WATCH OUT. THERE IS A BEAR BEHIND > YOU. -YOU ASK, 'WHAT COLOR? HOW HEAVY? HOW DO YOU KNOW IT'S A BEAR? > HOW OFTEN HAVE YOU SEEN IT?' WELL, IT WAS A COUGAR AFTER ALL. BUT > MAYBE IT ATE YOU JUST THE SAME. BETTER TO BE SAFE. OKAY, LET'S GO > THROUGH THIS. > > 1. Are you saying the signal has shifted from 14 KHz to 60 Hz or to 50 > Hz? THAT'S WHAT I WROTE. AND SINCE THEN, IT HAS SHIFTED TO 52.63157896 > KILOHERTZ. > If so, how do you know it's the same signal, in other words, what > makes you related these two > observations? TRUST ME. OR CHECK FOR YOURSELF, SINCE I MAKE MISTAKES > ALL THE TIME. AGAIN, CONCENTRATE ON WHAT'S HAPPENING, NOT ON ME OR > THAT I'M ON STAGE AND FORGOT TO ZIP MY FLY. > > 2. Or are you saying there's a 60 or 50 Hz modulation component on the > existing 14 KHz signal? WHEN IT WAS THERE, IT MAY HAVE HAD A > COMPONENT. > > 3. What is the time base for this picture? FOR ONE WAVE-SHAPE, TAKE > THE RECIPROCAL OF THE FREQUENCY TO GET THE PERIOD. I PURPOSELY LEFT > OUT THE TIME-BASE AND CONTROLS IN ORDER TO AVOID EXACTLY THIS TYPE OF > CORRESPONDENCE. SINCE THE TIME-BASE HAS A KIND OF VERNIER ADJUSTMENT, > AND PART IS AUTOMATIC, ALL I KNOW IS THAT I GOT ONE WAVE-SHAPE ON THE > DISPLAY, AND READ THE DIGITAL READOUT OF THE PERIOD. WHICH WAS > ORIGINALLY 0.0.7 MICRO-SECONDS. > Are we looking at one half wave of a standard power-line AC signal? I > DON'T KNOW. YOU DO THESE THINGS, AND TELL ME. WHAT IS "STANDARD"? IF I > SAY YES, THEN THAT MUST BE ALL THERE IS TO IT. -JUST AC OFF THE > POWER-LINES, RIGHT? IF I SAY NO, YOU'LL ASK ME HOW I KNOW THAT. > > 4. If so, is it synched to the power line? I DON'T KNOW. > How long was the signal on? I DON'T KNOW. I HAD OTHER THINGS TO > OBSERVE BESIDES THAT, AND ANSWERING THESE DEBUNKING QUESTIONS. > How long have you measured this new signal, or was it a one-time > observation? EVERY OBSERVATION IS ONE-TIME. > > 5. What is the modulation on that signal? I DON'T KNOW ANYTHING. I'M > GETTING APATHETIC. SEE THE CIA HANDBOOK OF INTERROGATION, IT'S ON THE > INTERNET. > It appears to be either sinosoidal or sawtooth, AH . .AT LAST SOME > INPUT. THIS IS WHAT I WANT FROM YOU. > hard to see in the picture. YES. > What is its period? INVERSE OF ITS FREQUENCY. > Is it synched to the carrier wave or does it drift? I DON'T KNOW. > What is the vertical bar? PART OF THE GRATICULE. > > 6. What is the accuracy of your scope's time base? COME ON . . . DOES IT MATTER HOW MANY RATTLES ARE ON THE SNAKE'S TAIL? > If it's a nominal 1% accuracy, let's say, I wouldn't understand how > you could specify ten significant digits (14.28571429), which would > imply a precision eight orders of magnitude greater than the accuracy, > i.e., not a meaningful value.THANK GOD. I WAS JUST QUOTING THE > CALCULATOR. A VALID QUESTION THOUGH. BOY OH BOY, LET'S GO INTO > ACCURACY VERSUS PRECISION, CHOP OFF ALL THE "INSIGNIFICANT" (ALTHOUGH > THEY ARE THERE) DIGITS, AND MAYBE ANALYZE THE FINDINGS OF MAXWELL'S > CAPACITOR EXPERIMENTS, AND THAT THE THIRD LAW OF CONSERVATION OF > ENERGY IS NOT VALID. > > 7. Where are you (what city) DOESN'T MATTER, THOUGH IT'S CANMORE. > and how far is the nearest computer monitor or other electronic > device? I CAN'T TELL YOU, BECAUSE THE ORDER OF MAGNITUDE IS UNKNOWN > REGARDING THE PRECISION OF MY NOMINAL YARD-STICK. BUT THEY ARE NEAR, > IN THE SAME ROOM, WHICH PROBABLY CHANGES IN SIZE DUE TO THE > TEMPERATURE AMBIENCE. > > 8. How have you eliminated computer monitors as a source? PULL THE > PLUG. > Please describe your environment: PERCEIVED AS HOSTILE, RIGHT NOW. > apartment building, nearest house, etc. and what methods you've used > to eliminate the > obvious explanation of random signals from computer monitors and other > electronic devices. WELL, IF IT'S THAT OBVIOUS, MAYBE THERE IS NO > SIGNAL ANYWHERE THAT COMES FROM SOMEWHERE OTHER THAN THE OBVIOUS, THAT > IS. *****************************************************************************(Quick way to eliminate computer monitors, hold an AM radio that's not tuned to a station next to it; you can hear signals in the 14 KHz range.) I'LL THROW OUT MY EQUIPMENT, AND USE AN AM RADIO . . . . THEN YOU CAN ASK ME WHERE THE RADIO CAME FROM, DO I KNOW HOW OLD IT IS, IS ITS TUNING RANGE ACCURATE, AND SO ON. ************************* AM RADIOS ARE NO SUBSTITUTE ************************************************************************** > 9. You say the signal is not omnidirectional, NO I'M NOT. YOU INFERRED > THIS. IT MAY BE OMNI-DIRECTIONAL FOR ALL I KNOW, OR CIRCLING AROUND, > MY OBSERVATION WAS DONE WHEN THE RECEIVING MODULE HAD ITS AXIS IN A > NORTHISH ORIENTATION. HOW DO I KNOW THAT MY COMPASS IS ACCURATE, OR > THAT MAGNETIC NORTH HASN'T SHIFTED FOR THREE DAYS? > so what direction(s) does it appear to be coming from? WE'LL KNOW THAT > BETTER AFTER TRIANGULATION USING SOMEONE ELSE'S REPORT. > How does the signal strength vary as you move around in your > observation environment? IT MUST BE COMING FROM MY HEAD? > What locations have you measured this signal in? NORTH VANCOUVER AND > CANMORE IS ALL I CAN GIVE YOU . > > 10. You say the signal is 12 v. at the output of your amp. PEAK TO > PEAK, AND IT CYCLES. PLUS THE PEAK TO PEAK VALUE IS NO LONGER > APPLICABLE. > What's the input voltage? THE OP AMP IS RUNNING WIDE OPEN, AND THEN > TURNED BACK TO ELIMINATE SQUARING. SO TRY IT, IF THE DETAILS ARE MORE > IMPORTANT THAN THE EVENT. > ************************* > ********************************************** > 11. A suggestion: input the 14 KHz signal into an audio amplifier and > listen to it. INTERESTING. BUT I DON'T WANT TO LOSE MY LINEARITY. AND > BESIDES, WE'RE TALKING MAGNETIC SENDING HERE, PEOPLE KEEP GOING BACK > TO AUDIO AND ELECTRO-STATIC. SAME FOR THE AM RADIO WHICH IS DESIGNED > FOR AMPLITUDE MODULATED SIGNAL DETECTION. > *************** > > AGAIN, AUDIO IS NOT THE SAME AS MAGNETIC, EVEN WHEN THE FREQUENCY IS > IDENTICAL. > ************************************************************************** > Let me know what you hear. WHAT I WOULD HEAR PROBABLY HAS NOTHING TO > DO WITH THE SUBJECT. OF COURSE I WOULD HEAR A STATION, OR NOISE, OR > INTERFERENCE -WHATEVER. > Another suggestion is to use a dynamic microphone (uses a magnetic > pickup coil), which might have better sensitivity, would offer > direction-finding capability (if not an omni mike), and would provide > immediate audio signal confirmation. YOU CANNOT SEE MAGNETIC WAVES ANY > MORE THAN YOU CAN SEE GRAVITY. YES, YOU WOULD HEAR EVERYTHING YOU DO > WITHOUT THE MIKE, AND A LOT MORE, AND AT GREATER RANGE, BUT SUFFER > FROM THE MIXING OF AUDIO SIGNALS. TRY IT WITH TWO MICROPHONES, > SEPARATELY AMPLIFIED, AND SEPARATELY FED TO EACH EAR. BUT THE MAGNETIC > PICKUP IN THE MIKE IS NOT THE SAME AS THE MAGNETIC PICKUP IN THE > ANTENNA, AND THE BETTER MICROPHONES PROBABLY SHIELD THE PICKUP COIL TO > AVOID MAGNETIC CONTAMINATION. WHY WOULD THAT BE, IF IT'S ALL THE SAME > (WHICH IT IS NOT)? > > 12. I'm puzzled why you describe this casual signal report as a "HIGH > ALERT". With the > millions of random signals out there, what justifies the "alert" for > this particular one, especially since it has not been confirmed > independently? CONFIRM IT INDEPENDENTLY, THEN, AND FIND OUT WHY. WHEN > YOU CONFIRM IT, YOU CAN TELL PEOPLE ABOUT IT, AND GIVE IT ANY NAME YOU > LIKE. WHY ARE SOME KIDS NAMED WESLEY, AND OTHERS TOM? THE "ALERT" > REQUIRES NO JUSTIFICATION. THE "HIGH" REQUIRES NO JUSTIFICATION. THE > "HIGH ALERT" REQUIRES NO JUSTIFICATION. > I CHOSE THAT NAME BECAUSE I WAS ALERTED, AND SHARED IT WITH OTHERS. > THEY MAY FEEL ALERTED, OR MIGHT NOT CARE ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. THEY CAN > JUSTIFY IT THEMSELVES BY STARTING TO MONITOR AND EXPLORE ALL AREAS OF > THE SPECTRUM WHETHER IT BE MAGNETIC, STATIC, CAPACITIVE, > GRAVITATIONAL, WAVE OR PARTICLE OR QUARKISH, ETCETERA. TO SIDE-TRACK AWAY FROM SCIENTIFIC PRECISION AND PERCEIVED POSSIBLE SEMANTICS AND SUB-LIMINAL IMPLICATION, WHICH I'M THIRSTING TO DO, COULD YOU PLEASE TELL US IF YOU KNOW ANYTHING ABOUT SUB-ETHERICS, AND "NON-PROPAGATIONAL TRANSMISSION"? > Thanks, Wes MY "PLEASURE". (NOTE TO THE READERS- SOME PEOPLE PRETEND TO BE OTHER PEOPLE AS WELL.) -AND I DON'T MEAN TO IMPLICATE WES. I JUST DON'T KNOW HIM VERY WELL YET. THANKS WES. SORRY FOR BEING PARANOID AND DEFENSIVE, OR SEEMING TO RIDICULE YOU. NOT MY INTENTION. I MEAN TO REDUCE CROSS-EXAMINATION AND GET TO THE SITUATION RATHER THAN THE TALK-ABOUT ENTERTAINMENT. IT WORKS. CERTAIN PEOPLE DROP OFF, AND I AM LEFT WITH THE ONES WHO KNOW. THEY CONTRIBUTE TO THE SCENARIO. THE PUBLIC IS NOT STUPID ANY LONGER, AND CAN SEE THROUGH WORDS AND PLOYS. I WANT YOU AND OTHERS TO TRY IT, SO WE CAN FIGURE OUT THE DETAILS. HANS begin: vcard fn: Jean Pierre Godard n: Godard;Jean Pierre org: DELTA OMEGA email;internet: arkel@telusplanet.net title: founder, president x-mozilla-cpt: ;0 x-mozilla-html: TRUE end: vcard ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Your frequency measurement Date: 97-08-21 17:46:54 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Stardust35@aol.com wrote: > Hello, > > I read about your measurment. I am wondering if you know how to > measure > frequency in a simple way. I understand Greg Braden, author of > "Awakening to > Zero Point" states it is very simple to do in your own back yard. > However in > his book and video, he fails to tell us how to do this. Since reading > your > post, I have written to Greg asking him how to do this. If you know > how I > might do this simply, I will be happy to do it in my area. > > Do you hear this sound? > > Love, and Peace, Margaret > Hi, Margaret! Welcome. I know of only a confirmation device at the moment. Bing might be able to tell you how to do the other.Radio Shack sells a frequency counter, hand-held and portable, it is the # 22-305. When I turn that on in my area AND in the mountains, it just goes crazy with all the frequencies that are happening. It was just on special here for $100 Canadian. Mind you, it operates on radio frequency in the electrostatic spectrum, and as such would need a coil instead of an antenna, maybe with an OP amp in between. The problem is that even then, any other frequencies but one would tend to mix and cause a jumpy reading. Nevertheless it could be useful for detecting UFOs as well. There is a confirmation method whereby you could have someone make a tuned radio-frequency circuit for you to indicate the presence of a suspected signal. Use a coil with many many turns of wire, (thousands) on a ferrite rod as the pick-up. The larger the rod, and the larger the number of turns, the greater your sensitivity, which translates into range. A passive indicator would require that you check with the Amateur Radio Operator's Handbook, or RRL I think they're called. Look for how to wind coils. Then design a coil that uses one single turn to be resonant at 14.28571429 KiloHertz. It might turn out to be quite large and heavy. When it resonates with the signal, all kinds of mystical experiments could be tried with it. Such as placing objects inside the ring. WARNING! This could be dangerous! It could act as a hyperspace window, and allow entities to come through into your world. Conversely, it could have a great miraculous healing effect, if it comes from a good source. I suspect that there is something scary going on, though, as there is more happening, which indicates that it might be a weapon or control device. Caution is the by-word. I just read about the buzz on Kent Steadman's site. I will definitely have some info for him on that, as I was able to receive radio signals from the past with a different detector, and heard that sound quite prevalently. This was way back in 1985, when Joy Hartfield was with me. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Your frequency measurement Date: 97-08-21 19:21:28 EDT From: Phikent To: arkel@telusplanet.net In a message dated 97-08-21 17:46:54 EDT, you write: << Caution is the by-word. I just read about the buzz on Kent Steadman's site. I will definitely have some info for him on that, as I was able to receive radio signals from the past with a different detector, and heard that sound quite prevalently. This was way back in 1985, when Joy Hartfield was with me. >> Howdy Hans: For some reason been really zooming in on this detected signal. 1. Because of HAARP 2. Because I've been feeling dizzy. 3. Because I've had all these bizarre experiences (curse o' the artist). From these dreams have percolated ideas unbecoming a pea-brained creative, SUCH AS: a wave form generator based on the golden ratio, pulsing out signals in cadence. Ever seen the sine wave in the Fibonacci series? huh? HUH? Divide an integer by it's prior and you get this signal that waltzes above and below the Golden Ratio 1.618. IS THAT IT? NO? The ancient Greeks did that with their Aeolean Harps (HAARPS?) But now you are talking about similar thing from a wave-man orientation. At last! Most of my Golden Ratio stuff has been geometry, that is, inscribing grids on canvas prior to making a painting, diving in with no plan--using the grid like a crystal ball, out popping weird imagery--hard to explain. By the way I do websites so I know where I put everything, and to keep from going sane. Please send me more info. I thirst! Plus, I'll make it look spiffy. Kent Steadman Weird Vibes (latest inquiry-stimulated-by-Hans) http://members.aol.com/ozwizrd8/orbit3.html ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Unification theory of resonance? Date: 97-08-21 19:50:48 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) To: Phikent@AOL.COM (phikent@aol.com) Frequency is all (for this writing) I am shocked in a very special way. I just got a letter from Margaret, and in answering it, realized that what I was writing, is perhaps MORE IMPORTANT than only the discovery of the frequency at 14.28571429 KiloHertz. Remember, there are many players on the field for the prize of the human soul, as Jason Dunlap of COA writes. Good players, and bad players. I was drawn to a couple of letters readable at PHIKENT, which gave reference to the extremely significant aspects numerically of this frequency. It could be a signal from God. And if that is the case, it could provide the long-awaited means to the New Earth and the New Heaven. This would hold in with the ascension. It would hold in with meditation, healing, crystals, and good "magic". It would hold in with major religion. It would hold in with what the "evil governments" would really like. It would be LOVE incarnate, and the end of oppression. I wrote to Margaret about building a single turn of copper but preferably gold. It would be resonant to the frequency. As it would be fairly large, one could conceivably crawl or walk through this thing into "New Jerusalem". I interpret this to mean another dimension. If it is not large enough, build one at a higher harmonic resonance. But be careful, it must be constructed precisely, and oriented in the right direction, crystals could work as indicators for this. Look at the pyramids. Certain measurements, placement, material. All to do with alignment, and resonance. People in the "Love and Light" are trying to resonate themselves with the source of all. When I was channeling, being a minor profit, I knew about building a hyperspace window for the salvation of mankind. Now it seems to be starting, and around the world, as people begin building resonant portals. The beauty of it all, is that being resonant to the numbers of God, or Love, EVIL CANNOT FOLLOW YOU! The hyperspace window acts as a filter as well as an interdimensional portal. If enough of these rings were built around the world, perhaps they would act collectively as an array, and be strong enough to resonate the entire planet, purify it, and restore it to exist in the next plane or dimension. Read Revelations 11:11. 999999 is OPPOSITE the number of the beast. The reciprocal of the frequency is the period. 0.07. One-one-hundredths of God's number. Regognize that the symbol for divinity is the cycle, the circle, the halo. We call it, "Nimbus Excelsis". We now wear very simple symbols as a replacement for the Cross, which is Holy too, but perhaps too remindful of the torture we inflicted on the Messiah, or Son of God. I remember, not too long after we started people wearing "haloes", that there was a newspaper article stating that the Catholic Church -I think it is- in Britain, was searching for a new symbol. Co-incidence? We are very modest, and simply employ a wooden curtain ring worn on a necklace. It seems to provide an enhancer for opening the heart chakra to love and allness. The planets, orbits, cycles, mantras, Stone-Henge, the Sun in Shinto, all are round. September, 7. October, 8. November, 9. December, 10. January, 11. February, 12. The new month, 13, which may or may not be close on the 29th to Ascension Day. The number of months in the year should be thirteen, at 28 days each. Except for The thirteenth month, which has an extra day for Sabbath, or Ascension. The weeks would still be 52 at seven days each. Originally, it was to be thirteen, the number has been blasphemied to dark feelings, in order to deprive the people. Wasn't Christ plus his Disciples thirteen? The horoscope would work more accurately instead of cycling, using thirteen months and all. We should use 24-hour clocks, and all set at UTC. We would soon get used to it. But it would unify and co-ordinate thoughts and activities, and save time as well as billions of dollars. My thinking attempts to combine science, religion, and reality. Ask me some questions, and I shall dream up some entertaining stories. Oh yes, I almost forgot. The receiver for the the "buzz heard around the world", is also the one that picks up the electro-magnetic spectrum, and past radio programs. DISCLAIMER: I WILL NOT ACCEPT RESPONSIBILITY FOR ANY FORM OF IMPAIRMENT OR HARM RESULTING FROM THE USE OF MY IDEAS. HOWEVER, IF YOU DO LIKE IT, I ACCEPT A HUMBLE "thank you". Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: contact list. Date: 97-08-22 00:32:45 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) To: voltron@voy.net (Pacal Votan) Pacal Votan wrote: > GREAT! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. I FELT BETTER WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THIS. > I AM HEARING THE WAVE. NO FEAR. I AM INTEGRATING IT AND USING IT AS A > CARRIER WAVE IN MEDITATION. LOTS OF INFO OUT THERE. TOO MUCH TO SORT > RIGHTNOW. > > ================================================= > "Adventures in the Merkaba" > Now available as a book. > Free Chapters at > http://www.voy.net/~voltron/ > ================================================= YOU GOT IT! YOU'RE A FIRST, AND VERY BRAVE TO TRY IT. HANS ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: contact list. Date: 97-08-22 01:37:05 EDT From: Phikent To: arkel@telusplanet.net In a message dated 97-08-22 00:32:45 EDT, you write: << > GREAT! KEEP UP THE GOOD WORK. I FELT BETTER WHEN YOU ANNOUNCED THIS. > I AM HEARING THE WAVE. NO FEAR. I AM INTEGRATING IT AND USING IT AS A > CARRIER WAVE IN MEDITATION. LOTS OF INFO OUT THERE. TOO MUCH TO SORT > RIGHTNOW. > >> (Kent) Wonder if the signal can actually be stepped into audio? You might want to look at the technologies used: TAOS HUM HOMEPAGE http://www.eskimo.com/~billb/hum/hum.html ALSO this site above links to: Devices Curl-free field detector patents Hodowancek "Gravity" Detector with the snippet (below) from: http://www.newphys.se/elektromagnum/physics/KeelyNet/gravity/grav3.asc "Adding a buffer stage to the basic circuit, as shown in Fig. 4, makes the detector easier to work with. The IC used is a common 1458 (which is a dual 741). One op-amp is used as the detector, and the other op-amp multiplies the detector's output by a factor of 20. Potentiometer R3 is used to adjust the output to the desired level. When used unshielded, the circuits presented here are not only sensitive detectors of gravitational impulses, but also of *electromagnetic* signals ranging from 50-500 GHz! Hence, these circuits could be used to detect many types of signals, including radar signals. To detect only gravity waves, and not EMI, the circuit should be shielded against all electromagnetic radiation. Both circuits are low in cost and easy to build. Assembly is non-critical, although proper wiring practices should be followed. Initially, you should use the op-amps specified; don't experiment with other devices until you attain satisfactory results with the devices called for. Later you can experiment with other components, like low-power op-amps, especially CMOS types, which have diodes across their inputs to protect them against high input voltages. Those diodes make them much less sensitive to electromagnetic radiation, so circuits that use those devices may be used to detect gravity-waves without shielding." ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Weird signals? Date: 97-08-22 01:39:20 EDT From: west@sonic.net (Wes Thomas) To: Phikent@aol.com CC: jason@iptcorp.com (Jason Dunlap), arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Kent: You asked for my opinion on the signal reports from godard j. p. (Hans). Let me amend my previous message to be more specific. Hans has not provided any reason to justify a "high alert" or for anyone to spend any time checking his report, for these reasons: - His report is too vague to evaluate and the reported signal do not appear to be exceptional in any way. There are many signals in the 14 KHz to 52 KHz range in our electronic world, typically, horizontal sync signals from computer monitors and other electronic devices, as well as military long-distance transmitters, such as a military experiment at 14.2 KHz. See http://bul.eecs.umich.edu/uffc/fc_abstracts/abstract9-15-226.html What makes this one any different? You can tune across the VLF band and find hundreds of signals. Are we to put out a "high alert" on every VLF signal in the world? - Sawtooth modulation on a 60 Hz signal is extremely common and you can confirm that by simply turning on your AM radio, tuning between stations, and turning on any motor in your home or a nearby home or apartment. You'll hear a buzz, which is a result of signals from AC power lines being picked up by audio circuits in your radio (contrary to what Hans stated). If you use batteries instead of AC power for your radio and still hear it, you're receiving it by RF coupling from the AC power lines or from the motor directly. You can also hear high-pitched signals in the 14 KHz range and above (up to the limits of your hearing) by placing your radio near a computer monitor. If Hans is serious about tracking down his alleged signal and alerting people (I can't imagine why), he would be advised to provide a clear description of his instrumentation setup and measurement protocols (including methods of eliminating artifacts within his own setup, computer monitors in his neighborhood, and other obvious sources) so that his observations can be replicated (assuming he provides a reason why someone would want to do that). - Wes Subj: FREQUENCY REPORT Date: 97-08-22 01:40:48 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) To: Phikent@aol.com (phikent@aol.com) The wave-shape is now detectable at 11.29943503 Hertz. Time: 23h35 Mountain Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: [*STAR*] Re: Bingo! The Buzz! Date: 97-08-22 01:42:22 EDT From: west@sonic.net (Wes Thomas) Hans said: >Radio Shack sells a frequency counter, >Mind you, it operates on radio frequency in the electrostatic spectrum It's the *electromagnetic* spectrum, not "electrostatic" >Nevertheless it could be useful for detecting UFOs as well. What frequencies do UFOs emit and what evidence do you have for that? >A passive indicator You're not going to learn anything reliable from a frequency counter connected to a passive tuned circuit. Frequency counters only work reliably with a clean signal (no interference) of adequate signal strength. And that requires a well-designed VLF antenna and receiver, something you won't get at Radio Shack. I assume the following is humor? >WARNING! This could be dangerous! It could act as a hyperspace window, >and allow entities to come through into your world. >Conversely, it could have a great miraculous healing effect, if it comes >from a good source. > >I suspect that there is something scary going on, though, as there is >more happening, which indicates that it might be a weapon or control >device. Oh, come on. What's so scary about picking up some random signal, using amateur instrumentation? What exactly indicates it's a weapon? (I still can't get a clear description of the signal or the instrumentation from Hans, despite repeated requests). >Caution is the by-word. I just read about the buzz on Kent Steadman's >site. Why? A random buzz (from motors, etc. on an AC power line)? What's the problem here? Sawtooth modulation (buzz) on a 60 Hz signal is extremely common and you can confirm that by simply turning on your AM radio, tuning between stations, and turning on any motor in your home or a nearby home or apartment. Kent said: >For some reason been really zooming in on this detected signal. > >1. Because of HAARP What's the connection with HAARP? This signal is (allegedly) at 14 KHz and HAARP operates at 5 to 10 MHz (a thousand times higher in frequency). >2. Because I've been feeling dizzy. How does this relate to some vague random signal? Have you checked your glucose levels lately? ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Hans-Wes Date: 97-08-22 03:00:42 EDT From: west@sonic.net (Wes Thomas) To: Phikent@AOL.COM At 05:33 PM 8/21/97 -0400, you wrote: >Wes, What do you think? It's now obvious that Hans lacks basic knowledge of electronics. What he says is pure nonsense technically. His alleged measurements are meaningless and likely due to random signals in his environment. Computer monitors put out strong signals in the 14 KHz range for miles and 60 Hz power signals are often corrupted by noise of the kind he reported, usually from motors running (they can be anywhere on the utility line, that is, in other houses, etc.). In case you're wondering, I was a senior precision measurement equipment electronics technician and instructor in the Air Force and a field engineer in the same discipline at Philco after leaving the Air Force. I was also a communications electronics technician on the U-2 aircraft. My expertise was in radio communications and calibration and maintenance of test equipment. I also held an Advanced class amateur radio license and an FCC Second Class radiotelelphone license. Wes ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Hans-Wes Date: 97-08-22 03:59:04 EDT From: Phikent To: west@sonic.net In a message dated 97-08-22 03:00:42 EDT, you write: << My expertise was in radio communications and calibration and maintenance of test equipment. I also held an Advanced class amateur radio license and an FCC Second Class radiotelelphone license. >> Thanks, Wes What are they doing with HAARP? Are we all going to be zapped into oatmeal? Kent Steadman, art faculty, emeritus, Fresno City College (1966-88) ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Bingo! The Buzz! Date: 97-08-22 03:17:34 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) Wes Thomas wrote: > Hans said: ACTUALLY I WROTE SOME THINGS, BUT HEY, EVEN COMPUTERS MAKE > MISTAKES. > > >Radio Shack sells a frequency counter, > >Mind you, it operates on radio frequency in the electrostatic > spectrum. > > It's the *electromagnetic* spectrum, not "electrostatic" SO WE DON'T > CONCUR HERE. > > >Nevertheless it could be useful for detecting UFOs as well. > > What frequencies do UFOs emit and what evidence do you have for that? > DON'T YOU KNOW? GO TO ALTA VISTA SEARCH ENGINE OR ANY OTHER OF CHOICE, > WHEN YOU HAVE TIME, AND TYPE IN "UFO". YOU'LL BE PLEASANTLY SURPRISED > THAT THERE'S A WHOLE BUNCH OF WEB-SITES ANSWERING MOST OF YOUR > QUESTIONS. > > >A passive indicator THE PASSIVE INDICATOR SHOULD HAVE REFERRED TO > SOMETHING OTHER THAN THE FREQUENCY COUNTER. > > You're not going to learn anything reliable from a frequency counter > connected > to a passive tuned circuit.WHAT A WAY TO FIND OUT IF I USED A TUNED > CIRCUIT OR NOT. - NO COMMENT. > Frequency counters only work reliably with a clean signal (no > interference) of adequate signal strength. READ MORE CAREFULLY, I > STATED WHAT YOU JUST WROTE. > And that requires a well-designed VLF antenna and receiver, something > you won't get at > Radio Shack. THAT'S DEBATABLE, BUT NOT WORTH MY ATTENTION. > > I assume the following is humor? WES, I JUST TELL WHAT POPS INTO MY > LITTLE HEAD, AND IT MIGHT BE TRUE OR NOT, OR FUNNY OR PATHETIC. YOU > HAVE TO REALIZE THAT THERE IS A DISTINCTION BETWEEN SCIENCE AND > GUESSWORK. -REMEMBER THE BEAR? > > >WARNING! This could be dangerous! It could act as a hyperspace > window, and allow entities to come through into your world. > > >Conversely, it could have a great miraculous healing effect, if it > comes from a good source. > > > >I suspect that there is something scary going on, though, as there is > more happening, which indicates that it might be a weapon or control > device. DID I TELL ANY LIES HERE? > Oh, come on. What's so scary about picking up some random signal, I > DIDN'T SAY A RANDOM SIGNAL IS SCARY. BUT EVEN THAT COULD HAPPEN. WE > ARE DISCUSSING A SPECIFIC SIGNAL. > using amateur instrumentation? ARE YOU PSYCHIC OR WHAT? WHERE DO YOU > GET 'AMATEUR' FROM? PEOPLE CAN READ THE POSTINGS, YOU KNOW, IF THEY > WANT TO BE ENTERTAINED BY US. > What exactly indicates it's a weapon? WHAT EXACTLY INDICATES IT IS > NOT? I USED THE WORDS, "COULD BE, AND MIGHT BE". > (I still can't get a clear description of the signal or the > instrumentation from Hans, > despite repeated requests). WHICH AMOUNT TO TWO, AND BOTH ANSWERED > PUBLICLY. THERE ARE MORE DESCRIPTIONS WHICH HAVE GONE OUT, YOU'LL FIND > THEM ON KENT'S PAGE, BUT I WOULD SAY THAT ONE THING WORSE THAN WASTING > TIME ON THIS "HIGH ALERT" , WOULD BE THE DEBUNKING THEREOF, WHICH I > READILY GRANT YOU IF YOU GO AWAY, SINCE YOU ARE WAY TOO LATE TO DULL > THE INTEREST. > > >Caution is the by-word. I just read about the buzz on Kent > Steadman's site. > > Why? WHY NOT? > A random buzz (from motors, etc. on an AC power line)? IS THAT WHAT > IS IS? HOW DO YOU KNOW? HAVE YOU GONE ALL OVER THE WORLD TO TEST THIS > IDEA, AND WHAT AM RADIOS DID YOU USE? PROFESSIONAL LABORATORY > PRECISION AM RADIOS? > What's the problem here? WE DIDN'T ASK YOU TO THINK THAT THERE IS A > PROBLEM. > Sawtooth modulation (buzz) on a 60 Hz signal is extremely common and > you can confirm that by simply turning on your AM radio, tuning > between stations, and turning on any motor in your home or a nearby > home or apartment. EXACTLY TRUE. AND WATER IS FAIRLY COMMON TOO, AND > SO ARE DEBUNKERS LIKE YOU AND PHONIES LIKE ME. > > Kent said: > > >For some reason been really zooming in on this detected signal. > > > >1. Because of HAARP > > What's the connection with HAARP? This signal is (allegedly) at 14 KHz > and HAARP operates at 5 to 10 MHz (a thousand times higher in > frequency). WHERE'S THE PRECISION OR ACCURACY GONE HERE? (ALLEGEDLY) > WAS 14.28571429 KILOHERTZ.. DO YOU KNOW EVERYTHING THERE IS TO KNOW > ABOUT HAARP? I SURE AS HECK DON'T. AND I THINK MANY PEOPLE WOULD LOVE > TO ASK YOU ABOUT IT. > > >2. Because I've been feeling dizzy. DON'T WORRY, KENT. - THIS GETS ME > DIZZY TOO. > > How does this relate to some vague random signal? YOU'RE THE ONLY ONE > SO FAR WHO HAS LABELED IT A VAGUE RANDOM SIGNAL. SO IT PROBABLY HAS > NOTHING TO DO WITH WHAT YOU PERCEIVE. > Have you checked your glucose levels lately? ARE YOU ALSO A DOCTOR OF > MEDICINE, WES? TELL US WHY YOU FEEL SO STRONGLY THAT YOU NEED TO DO THIS, WES. IF IT IS JUST GENUINE INTEREST, FINE. JUST FUN? GREAT. IF YOU'RE JUST LOOKING FOR NITPICKING, YOU ARE DEFEATING THAT, BECAUSE YOU MAINTAIN THE INTEREST OF THE PUBLIC BY PRESENTING A FAIRLY GOOD DEBATE. AGAIN, I THANK YOU, AS YOU MAKE ME THINK FOR A CHANGE. I NO LONGER NEED TO APOLOGIZE, SINCE YOU CHOOSE TO CONTINUE, NOW EVEN RIDICULING KENT ABOUT HIS BLOOD-SUGAR. I AM "DEBUNKED", AND WILL REMAIN THAT UNTIL OTHER PEOPLE PROVE ME RIGHT. NOT JUST ON THIS ONE THING EITHER. AND IT IS IMPOSSIBLE TO PROVE ME WRONG, BECAUSE YOU CAN NEVER GO BACK IN TIME AND SAY THAT IT DID NOT HAPPEN. YOUR ONLY METHOD THEN IS TO RIDICULE, OR PROVE THIS AND THAT THROUGH WORDS AND SURE, YOU CAN TRIP ME UP. SO WHAT? IT DOES NOT CHANGE WHAT HAPPENED, WHAT IS HAPPENING, AND WHAT PEOPLE DECIDE FOR THEMSELVES IS GOING TO BE DONE ABOUT IT. I AM NOT AS FULLY VERSED AS I WOULD LIKE TO BE. IN FACT I MAY BE NUTS! I COULD SAY I CHANNELED ALL THIS, OR MADE IT UP, BUT PEOPLE WILL STILL PURSUE THE IDEA. IT IS NOT MADE UP. IT IS WHAT HAPPENED. SO, SIT BACK, ENJOY, AND JOIN THE CLUB. YOU'RE GETTING WAY TOO MUCH ATTENTION FOR THE RESULTS. REGARDS, hans. ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Your frequency measurement Date: 97-08-22 03:30:20 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) To: DorisChu@aol.com (DorisChu@aol.com) DorisChu@aol.com wrote: > Dear Arkel: > Haarp is a secret device & the gov't. is not telling us what it is > for. > However, big hint: If you send a signal it creates and "pond". If > something > drops into the pond, it creates ripples. What could drop into the > pond? > Something from earth, and something not from earth, i.e. vehicles not > from > earth. > So, it also might be a sensing device. > Someday I'll tell more. > > Off line for a few days. > Regards and thanks for info. > dc HOLY COW! THIS WILL BLOW EVERYONE'S MINDS, ESPECIALLY WES'.DON'T TELL ANYMORE. UNLESS YOU STATE YOU WANT IT KEPT PRIVATE, IT'LL BE SENT ALL OVER. GOOD THING YOU'RE JUST JOKING. Hans. thanks, Doris. ------------------------------------------------------------ Subj: Re: Skywatch: HIGH ALERT! Date: 97-08-22 03:45:06 EDT From: arkel@telusplanet.net (godard j. p.) To: DorisChu@aol.com (DorisChu@aol.com) DorisChu@aol.com wrote: > Dear Hans: > Off line for a few days. > I believe I started Haarp idea in the 1960's due to someone I > consulted with. > Will explain some day. > I said basically that if you could generate a frequency it's like > having a > "pond." > When u throw something in the pond - coming or going (like airplanes, > space > ships) it makes a ripple in the pond & u can pick this up with > "listening" > instruments. > * Side effects of the frequency are unknown & have to be checked on > humans & > animals & plants. > * A friend's friend is making a documentary of Haarp and most of the > people > she interviewed have had "visitors," asking questions. > Talk to u later. > Regards & thanks for info. > dc Dear Doris: Thanks ever so much. For some reason, I wish I could have met you back in the sixties. . . I get strong intuitive feelings we could share a lot of knowledge. Remember to state private for info you don't want repeated. Hans ------------------------------------------------------------ EDITOR'S NOTE: discussion continued at http://members.aol.com/ozwizrd8/wrdvibes2.txt