Date: 3/7/01 9:09:31 AM Pacific Standard Time
To: (Kent Steadman)

Yes it was!!!  I grew up in So. Cali so I know what they feel like, but you know...each one feels different and you always hope that you never feel another one - ha!!  Guess that won't happen in my lifetime *sigh*  I would have to say that this one is the worst that I've ever felt - I was even down in LA when the Landers one hit and then the Big Bear hit soon after - this one had them all beat!  YOU must've REALLY felt it where you are, eh?  Glad to know you're all okay!! 

Subject: Re: visit to no river
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Posted At: 3/6/01 7:59:03 pm 
From IP:
Did not know where to post this. Had a little walkabout with a geologist friend and some of his crew up what used to be the Skagit river near Concrete WA. Saw a couple of news crews reporting on the lowered water levels and the damn dam maintenace and the impact on salmons. Saw quite a few energy companies employees. We went on to a secondary lake above the damn dam. It is also dry. Two dams and power gens are shut down for months. So two more off line. But what is/was really peculiar was at the creek feeding into higher lake we round a bend, walking mostly head down on scrubbed river rock so you have to watch your footing. We turned this corner around a snag and looked up shocked to see this green-grey helicopter hovering inches over a small pool of water in what had been the middle of the creek. The side door opposite us was open and some kind of rope, wire or rod had been down in the water when we came upon them. What really scared the @#%$ out of all of us was that the machine was virtually silent while hovering. The occupants obviously saw us and decided to take off. The door which we could not see was shut after the rod or what ever was drawn back in. The machine looks like a helicopter with a really cool tail thingey that channels air through tubes. But the thing was that this machine made no more noise than a honda car a mile away until it started to rise. Then the noise and the prop wash rolled over us and damn near took my feet out from under me. As it flew off I could see that it had a jet engine sticking out of the back of the cab part. It made quite an impression on the whole lot of us. We got the heckoutoftheredamnquick. Before we left I looked into the small pool of water and saw nothing at all out of the ordinary. So what the hell was that all about? I put this in this thread as it was too bizarre to have its own. Feeling really conspiracy theory kind of thing going. Paranoia has its uses. Any ideas that make sense?

Subject: Food for Thought,,,
Posted By:
Posted At: 3/6/01 7:18:50 pm 
From IP:
Just got an email from anon person from East Coast that really made me think about our national status at this particular time.... East coast shut down with worst storm on record & West coast in major storm conditions also. Military activity being reported in mid-central area... hmmm???
"You probably know that the Northeast corridor has been shut
down. Nobody went to work - not even Dunkin' Donuts open. No mail - no nothing...

Trucks all taken off the roads for 30 plus hours.
Despite all this we, too, heard something LOUD...couldn't tell what for the snow. Helicopters or maybe even a few planes by the time I got outside, they were too far away to tell fer sure. Heck, the airports were all shut down... I dunno... just wanted to share that because I have
a feeling something's up, too.

My wife is sure something's going on... she's pretty intuitive and I've learned not to pooh-pooh her vibes.
I'll look forward to any news you have from down Texas way

If you have contact with a tractor-trailer driver they might have something to share from their ventures.

Subject: [hlth] Quake Causes Post-Traumatic Stress
Posted By:
Posted At: 3/7/01 2:00:05 pm 
From IP:
We have definitely experienced some of this in the last week ...

Maybe the pointers in the article will help some of you understand some weird feelings you may have encountered.

Last night we went to a CERT Advanced Class and had a very helpful, healing, reinforcing practical few hours with wonderful, truly effective people. The Fire Marshall and all the instructors / firemen were there, along with so many community-minded individuals from all over the spectrum.

We all watched video of the quake, discussed it, talked about what reactions were sensible and which weren't, and then rotated into various modules of review/action/planning. Very very helpful and empowering.

One thing that has been mentioned here on TimeBomb was the peculiar *confusion* that surrounded the Ash Wednesday Olympia Quake. That confusion, even among the most highly trained professional emergency responders, was a very pronounced highlighted surprise brought out in the reviews.

In fact, many were at an organization meeting when the quake hit, and just sat frozen in their chairs, staring disbelievingly at each other. They were commenting on how, after all the drilling and teaching, it was exceedingly odd that they did not get under tables, duck cover and hold.

So many are calling this Quake strange for a variety of reasons.
We all are feeling very fortunate that the 6.8 was not felt with G forces the way it normally would be.

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March 7, 2001, 09:45 AM, by Staff

Quake Causes Post-Traumatic Stress

SEATTLE Ð Linda Davis' family heirlooms made it through the earthquake just fine. But the next day, red bumps started showing up on her forehead. Reluctantly, she went to the doctor.

"I thought Ôshe's going to tell me itÕs nothing to worry aboutÕ and right away she said ÔyouÕve got shingles,Õ" Says Davis.

Dr. Mary Ballard has noticed an increase this week in stress-related ailments, what she calls a delayed reaction to the quake.

"A lot of abdominal pain, nausea, sleep disturbances, excessive sleep or waking up during the night - just feeling on edge,Ó says Ballard.

Psychologist Cynthia Waltman says a lot people just arenÕt making the connection.

Although the physical trauma has passed, the psychological trauma could linger for weeks to come, especially for older children.

"Some of those kids may have some trouble sleeping, may need a little bit of extra attention É give them exactly what they need," says Waltman.

For adults, Waltman says the quake is likely to hit you harder if you have experienced some prior trauma.

Dealing with trauma

Because they get overwhelmed with fear during a trauma, survivors often have particular symptoms that begin soon after the traumatic experience. The main symptoms are re-experiencing of the trauma - mentally and physically - and avoidance of trauma reminders. Together, these symptoms create a problem that is called Posttraumatic Stress Disorder (PTSD). PTSD is a specific set of problems resulting from a traumatic experience that is recognized by medical and mental health professionals.

Trauma survivors commonly continue re-experiencing their traumas. Re-experiencing means that the survivor continues to have the same mental, emotional, and physical experiences that occurred during or just after the trauma. This includes thinking about the trauma, seeing images of the event, feeling agitated, and having physical sensations like those that occurred during the trauma.

Trauma survivors find themselves feeling and acting as if the trauma is happening again: feeling as if they are in danger, experiencing panic sensations, wanting to escape, getting angry, thinking about attacking or harming someone else. Because they are anxious and physically agitated, they may have trouble sleeping and trouble concentrating. These experiences are not usually voluntary; the survivor usually can't control them or stop them from happening.

Mentally re-experiencing the trauma can include:

-- Upsetting memories such as images or other thoughts about the trauma.

-- Feeling as if it the trauma is happening again ("Flashbacks").

-- Bad dreams and nightmares.

-- Getting upset when reminded about the trauma (by something the person sees, hears, feels, smells, or tastes).

-- Anxiety or fear - feeling in danger again.

-- Anger or aggressive feelings Ð feeling the need to defend oneself.

-- Trouble controlling emotions because reminders lead to sudden anxiety, anger, or upset.

-- Trouble concentrating or thinking clearly.

-- People also can have physical reactions to trauma reminders such as:

-- Trouble falling or staying asleep.

-- Feeling agitated and constantly on the lookout for danger.

-- Getting very startled by loud noises or something or someone coming up on you from behind when you don't expect it.

-- Feeling shaky and sweaty.

-- Having your heart pound or having trouble breathing.

How children and adolescents respond to trauma

Reactions to trauma may appear immediately after the traumatic event or days and even weeks later. Loss of trust in adults and fear of the event occurring again are responses seen in many children and adolescents who have been exposed to traumatic events. Other reactions vary according to age:

For children 5 years of age and younger, typical reactions can include a fear of being separated from the parent, crying, whimpering, screaming, immobility and/or aimless motion, trembling, frightened facial expressions and excessive clinging. Parents may also notice children returning to behaviors exhibited at earlier ages (these are called regressive behaviors), such as thumb-sucking, bedwetting, and fear of darkness. Children in this age bracket tend to be strongly affected by the parents' reactions to the traumatic event.

Children 6 to 11 years old may show extreme withdrawal, disruptive behavior, and/or inability to pay attention. Regressive behaviors, nightmares, sleep problems, irrational fears, irritability, refusal to attend school, outbursts of anger and fighting are also common in traumatized children of this age. Also the child may complain of stomach aches or other bodily symptoms that have no medical basis. School work often suffers. Depression, anxiety, feelings of guilt and emotional numbing or "flatness" are often present as well.

Adolescents 12 to 17 years old may exhibit responses similar to those of adults, including flashbacks, nightmares, emotional numbing, avoidance of any reminders of the traumatic event, depression, substance abuse, problems with peers, and anti-social behavior.

How to help children deal with PTSD:

After a disaster occurs, the family is the first-line resource for helping. Among the things that parents and other caring adults can do are:

Explain the disaster as well as you are able.

Encourage the children to express their feelings and listen without passing judgment. Help younger children learn to use words that express their feelings. However, do not force discussion of the traumatic event.

Let children and adolescents know that it is normal to feel upset after something bad happens.

Allow time for the youngsters to experience and talk about their feelings. At home, however, a gradual return to routine can be reassuring to the child.

If your children are fearful, reassure them that you love them and will take care of them. Stay together as a family as much as possible.

If behavior at bedtime is a problem, give the child extra time and reassurance. Let him or her sleep with a light on or in your room for a limited time if necessary.

Do not criticize regressive behavior or shame the child with words like "babyish."

Allow children to cry or be sad. Don't expect them to be brave or tough.

Encourage children and adolescents to feel in control. Let them make some decisions about meals, what to wear, etc.

Take care of yourself so you can take care of the children.

Most people who are exposed to a traumatic, stressful event experience some of the symptoms of PTSD in the days and weeks following exposure, but the symptoms generally decrease over time and eventually disappear.

If you need assistance, the Red Cross has set up a special hotline for anyone experiencing post-trauma stress who needs to speak with a counselor. That number is 1-800-660-4124.

Crisis counselors can also help. In King County, call the Crisis Line at 206-461-3222 or toll-free at 800-244-5767. In Snohomish, Skagit, Whatcom, San Juan and Island counties, call CARE Crisis Response Services at 425-258-4357, or toll-free at 800-584-3578 or TTY 800-846-8517.