GyRo 9/26/2003 3:44 am EDT

Kent, keep at it,

stick with your story.

Also consider the fact that Galileo may not have been slammed into Jupiter yet....simply waiting for Cassini to arrive or being re directed to another mission.

NASA story on Galileo running out of fuel could be bogus. Voyagers with half the fuel still going at the edge of solar system. Check:


Date: September 25, 2003 at 16:12:02 From: MattF, Subject: Voyagers still Humming

I still think that NASA is selling the public the Brooklyn Bridge with its Galileo story. It’s "out of fuel, Europa, already exceeded life expectancy" excuses don’t stack up.

Let me tell you why:

Voyager 1 and 2 , each with about 50% less fuel and much older propellant technology than Galileo, already exceeded its mission criteria and life time by 14 years and as of July are at a distance of 88AU and 70AU respectively in opposite directions

They:” are headed towards the outer boundary of the solar system in search of the heliopause, the region where the Sun's influence wanes and the beginning of interstellar space can be sensed”

According to NASA there is enough “thruster fuel to last until about 2020”, and some other sources put that until 2030-2035.. to keep the craft maintain its altitude …That is almost 35 years over its expected life time folks.

And , YES they are still tasked to detect celestial objects which emit UV.

Even though Galileo was involved in more complex orbital maneuvering and therefore requiring more fuel, it had up to twice as much fuel with more efficient thruster/main engine technology...and only travelled a fraction of the distance being covered by the Voyagers., Furthermore by NASA’s admission it was “intended to stay in orbit for 1000’s of years.

So, with grade school logic we should be able to conclude that ending the Galileo Mission by NASA:

1) Is a lie

2) Sheer Incompetence.

We know our guys at NASA are not incompetent to plan for extended mission of the $1.5 billion craft.

Why would NASA lie:


1) It needs funds for other projects, and to keep the fat cats in mgmt. happy.

2) It has another mission or has a new find that she wishes not to reveal…at this time

On the NEO discussion you are excluding COMETS…why?

We know where the comets are coming from right ?…outside the Jupiter orbit from Oort cloud…and we know how blindsided we are on this regard don’t we?

We know Galileo has NIMS on board, and you and I can only speculate on what the camera abilities are for other research. A good, competent planning by NASA should have included the capabilities for NEO search…not hard to do.

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Subj: If Galileo did not crush on Jupiter then it is on its way to shoot some pics of PX

Date: 9/26/03 9:07:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time

Hi Kent.

I have heard from Alex Merklinger that Jim McCanney thinks that Galileo did not crash on Jupiter. He thinks that this probe is on it's way to shoot some pics of PX.

Alex thinks that Jim had insider info from NASA on this.

Best regards.


If Galileo has been reassigned, what would it be looking for?

First we had Comet X5 indexback65.html

Then Comet V1 indexback67.html

What's next that we know for sure?

INCOMING: COMETQ4: Nostradamus' comet

Shhhh, some are whispering, well, you know...px_updated.html


Subj: Re: [KENT] Galileo Impact Webcast: water clouds over Jupiter 
Date: 9/22/03 12:33:53 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: RCH


Ah ... simple planetary physics.

Jupiter is HUGE, and it's a "planet" -- about ten times the diameter of Earth.  It's atmosphere (and all the rest of it) are about 99% hydrogen, with the other 1% being mostly helium and a smidgen of EVERYTHING else.

ANd, yes, it is "self-luminous" -- it's radiating into space about twice as much energy as it gets from the Sun.  But, consider what little energy Jupiter gets from the Sun ... at half a BILLION miles out.  So, the total amount of Jupiter radiation is NOT star-like ... but "planet-like."  (And the mainstream guys are STILL totally baffled by the source of this energy.  We believe it's "hyperdimensional," but that's another tale ....)

Jupiter's atmosphere is VERY deep (by Earth standards_ -- thousands of miles.  And, it goes from being very, very thin and cold at the top (where ammonia freezes out at about minus 200 degrees F.), to lower levels thousands of miles below, where it eventually exceeds the boiling point of tungston!

But ... at the intermediate levels (somewhere around the visible cloud tops, where the pressures are also about "Earth normal") the temperatures are also "room temperature."  Really!  And it is there that water clouds abound (that's why those temperatures and pressures are at "cloud top level" -- it's a closed feedback loop!) ... mainly because there is SO much of Jupiter, that even "a few percentage points" of heavier elements (like oxygen) will make a LOT of water when it finds the hydrogen!!!   :)

So, Jupiter has a range of environments in its atmosphere -- from frigid all the way to "super hot." 

The interior is something else again ... and IS a plasma.  But that's literally tens of thousands of miles below where we can see ... the cloudy "surface."

Hope this has cleared "the air" a bit.   :)


In a message dated 9/22/2003 8:12:44 AM Mountain Daylight Time, BARDSQUILL writes:

<< In a message dated 9/22/03 3:07:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, RCH writes:

<<  Anyway, no -- water is common on Jupiter (hydrogen ...oxygen).  That's why it's common on Earth: it's a VERY abundant compound, since hydrogen is THE most abundant element, and oxygen (when you get that far down the periodic table) is one of the main runner-ups in overall abundance.  All goes back to how stars shine ... in part.   :)

So, I'm not sure at the reason for your surprise.  Unless, you've simply not followed this stuff before ....  >>

The Jovian moons I understand, but my Jupiter model has been skewed having assumed that the radiation of this alleged proto-sun to be too intense for the wee  H and the O critters to play footsie with one another.

I have been thinking plasma only.

Water? Clouds?    As in thunderheads?

Anyway, thankye.

Kent >>


UK1:  the webcast has started
Phikent:  yea
UK1:  dam thing keeps stopping
Phikent:  real audio screwin up
UK1:  great minds think alike
UK1:  54 mins to go
UK1:  i think they under estimated how many people would view
Phikent:  mirror?
UK1:  could try nasa TV

Phikent:  getting sound
UK1:  i got both
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Phikent:  yes
UK1:  the other server has reached capacity
UK1:  i have full picture and audio on the webcast
Phikent:  me too
UK1:  keeps buffering
UK1:  be funny if it missed and did a flyby
Phikent:  these dudes don;t make sense, why not leave in orbit?
UK1:  cause it would of mal functioned in time and they did not want it to go int IO
UK1:  websites going slow
UK1:  5 mins
UK1:  just happens to be getting dark here
Phikent:  didn't they just say the found water clouds and lightning on jupiter, then by the same reasoning they use about Europa there is the possibility of life on Jupiter as well.
UK1:  yes
UK1:  imagine that sending a nuke on an inhabited planet
UK1:  they aint gonna be to pleased about that
Phikent:  the dialogue here seems disconnected from old theory to new discoveries.
UK1:  1 min
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UK1:  seems like something missing in my life now its gone
UK1:  its weird
UK1:  hydrogen
UK1:  and oxygen
UK1:   what's gonna happen
UK1:  would it contaminate the planet
Phikent:   APOD: November 27, 1996 - Storm Clouds Over Jupiter
Phikent: - Space - Cassini snaps pics of Jupiter lightning, elusive moon - January 23, 2001
Phikent:  Maybe Jup is not a proto-sun but a proto-earth
UK1:  you watching nasa tv still
Phikent:  no, still on?
UK1:  sorta
UK1:  the data should be coming back soon
Phikent:  You'd think NASA could stream a better video, looks like crap here
UK1:  its not nasa
UK1:  its that site
UK1:  if you do it direct
UK1:  the real webcast tone
Phikent:  see that
UK1:  no i have d/c
UK1:  what happened
UK1:  back on it now
UK1:  wish i knew what they were typing
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