Subj: Incoming Date: 8/6/99 2:51:43 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: cplyler@i-america.net (Charlie Plyler) To: Phikent@aol.com (Kent Steadman) Kent: Due to many inquiries concerning the "Incoming" post, I would like to try to explain some of the terms and descriptions involved. The Elfrad research stations use several techniques to detect and record ultra and extremely low frequency signals which travel through the interior of the earth. The earth as a whole is a very good conductor and has a much lower resistance than the atmosphere. Also the lower the frequency, the better penetration and propagation of the signal through a material. Earthquakes and other seismic disturbances generate low frequency signals but generally they are mechanical in nature and cause an actual movement of the earth's crust. Seismic detectors, record these small movements and by propagation and triangulation, researchers are able to pin point the location and strength of the event. Rather than using seismic detectors the Elfrad Group has a system which detects and records electrical and magnetic changes. The antenna system uses probes placed in the earth and due to that fact there is very little delay from the instantaneous time of a distant event to the time of detection. We have recorded signals caused by natural and manmade disturbances from a distance of over 12,000 Km. Some of our antenna systems are aligned with the magnetic poles of this planet and due to the magnetic field constantly changing properties, we are able to record this change by the varying voltage generated by the field. Any time the magnetic flux is disturbed by a proton burst, CME, flare or other anomaly caused by our sun, it is detectable by our equipment. When a large object such as a comet, or asteroid disturbs this field, it can also be detected. This is usually indicated by a sharp peak in the frequency spectrum which corresponds to the wavelength of the transmitter. Another member of the Elfrad Group with a research station located in California is also detecting these anomalies with a flux gate magnetometer which is very sensitive to changes of the earth's field. A large magnetic body in space is known to generate a signal whose frequency is the wavelength, or half wavelength of the distance to another strong magnetic field such as a planetary body like the earth. If the object is moving, then the frequency will change with the distance and speed of the object. An increasing frequency indicates an incoming object, a decreasing frequency indicates an outgoing body. Whenever an anomaly like this one is detected, it will sometimes be several days before a frequency shift is noted. In this case, if there is an object being tracked, there will be sufficient data within a few days to determine the speed and whether it is incoming. We will keep you informed of any changes of the current situation. Thanks, Charlie Plyler Elfrad Group http://www.elfrad.net -------------------------------------------- Dialogue: Subj: Re: "Sent by Kent, Specific Questions" Date: 8/7/99 8:42:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: cplyler@i-america.net (Charlie Plyler) To: crt99@san.rr.com (crt99) CC: Phikent@aol.com (Kent Steadman) Hello Chris, Thanks for your interest. I will try to explain your questions step by step. crt99 wrote: > > Hi Charlie, > > Kent Steadman encouraged me to write you directly about your ELFRAD > "incoming". My main concern is the elimination of interference in the > recovered signals. My comments to postings made by Kent on the Starfriends > mailing list are forwarded here for your further comments. Thanks for your > time, I know you are very busy. > > Regards, > > Chris Terraneau > Electrical Engineer. > >Due to many inquiries concerning the "Incoming" post, I would like > >to try to explain some of the terms and descriptions involved. > > > >The Elfrad research stations use several techniques to detect and > >record ultra and extremely low frequency signals which travel through > >the interior of the earth. The earth as a whole is a very good > >conductor and has a much lower resistance than the atmosphere. Also > >the lower the frequency, the better penetration and propagation of > >the signal through a material. > > This additional coupling effeciency (i.e. low resistance) is exactly what > will have the tendency to couple every electrical disturbance occurring on > the surface of the planet (and within it) to other locations on the surface. > You are absolutely correct. > >Earthquakes and other seismic disturbances generate low frequency > >signals but generally they are mechanical in nature and cause an > >actual movement of the earth's crust. Seismic detectors, record > >these small movements and by propagation and triangulation, researchers > >are able to pin point the location and strength of the event. > > The piezoelectric effect is common and well-known. It is what is responsible > for the electric ignition spark in many cigarette lighters available today. > These work by stressing a hunk of quartz or ceramic (crystalline) material > with a little hammer. Electrodes on the surface of the crystal produce > thousands of volts of electricity in response to the mechanical stimulus. > The very same crystalline structure (although somewhat less effecient) > exists within rocks in the earth's crust. These rocks are under continuous, > random and repetitive mechanical stress from natural geological forces. > > A recent TV program on UFOs showed an experiment where rocks were crushed in > a hydraulic press in the dark. A videocamera recorded the results: Electric > current in the form of sparks were produced. Note that I DO NOT beleive this > means people seeing UFOs are really seeing piezoelectric "lightning" which > somehow propagates to the surface. But connect a very sensitive amplifier's > input terminals into damp and conductive earth (like ELFRAD is doing), and > you ARE going to detect the results of piezoelectric stress on rocks in the > ground. Again you are 100% correct. > > You are also going to detect ground loop currents produced by the power > grid, transients caused by distant lightning strikes, radio frequency > demodulation from many types of radio transmitters, radar stations, arc > welders and even perhaps microwave ovens. There is just no way to be sure > what you detect is not coming form one of these millions of sources. Incorrect. Our equipment has the ability to filter out these millions of frequencies. I am sure you are familiar with electronic signatures. Even acoustically speaking, our Government has the ability to determine what type of ship, the distance and even the name of the source from our submarines. These signatures can even change on a frequent basis when an anomaly occurs within the engine or superstructure and these are logged and catalogued. The same with electrical signals within the earth. Daily we record piezoelectric disturbances from geophysical activity. We can tell when an area is changing signature wise and have been able to detect precursors of earthquakes several hours in advance. Our monitors record raw data on a 24 hour basis and when unusual activity begins and we are alerted, we filter this time period using analog and digital processes to determine what type of anomaly is being detected. Most of them can be explained easily. However, on occasion, when an unknown is analyzed and needs to be investigated further, then we call on our resources from other sites to determine if that site has detected the same signal. If we have a positive indication, we look at the amplitude of the signal, and determine if a known modulation exists. For instance, if we detect a signal with a duration of 20 minutes, with a pulsed type of modulation with a time period of 25 microseconds, spaced evenly, with an amplitude 100 millivolts above the noise level, it is a pretty sure candidate for further analysis. > >Rather than using seismic detectors the Elfrad Group has a system > >which detects and records electrical and magnetic changes. The > >antenna system uses probes placed in the earth and due to that fact > >there is very little delay from the instantaneous time of a distant > >event to the time of detection. We have recorded signals caused by > >natural and manmade disturbances from a distance of over 12,000 Km. > > This is exactly my concern: How many "natural and manmade disturbances" are > present in a radius of 12,000 KM? Unless EACH source is correlated to the > waveform it generates on ELFRAD equipment, it is impossible to remove this > interference from the data. > I believe I answered this question. > >Some of our antenna systems are aligned with the magnetic poles of this > >planet and due to the magnetic field constantly changing properties, > >we are able to record this change by the varying voltage generated > >by the field. Any time the magnetic flux is disturbed by a proton > >burst, CME, flare or other anomaly caused by our sun, it is detectable > >by our equipment. > > Or, a localized disturbance of background magnetic fields. Large vehicles > moving on a nearby highway under a steel bridge for example. Ground loop > currents from power substations or large industrial electric users... The > number of possible sources boggles the mind! Absolutely. Even a fright train on a local railway 15 miles away has it's own signature. We track a particular one every morning. When it's speed reaches a certain number it generates a certain wave form. > > >When a large object such as a comet, or asteroid disturbs this field, > >it can also be detected. > > OK, I am familliar with Richard Hoagland's theories about comets carrying > large electricl charges. I agree this is very likely. But has an actual > comet pass been correlated with a disturbance in the geomagnetic field > detected by ELFRAD? I do understand that CMEs have been correlated with > ELFRAD signals, but these are very intense bursts of energy. I wouldn't > expect that a passing comet would produce that big of a disturbance. Neither would I. We are waiting to see if we will detect the coming comet Lee. Also we have been alerted by NASA to record possible anomalies during the eclipse on the 11th. We are expecting a positive indication from the sun's corona. > > > This is usually indicated by a sharp peak > >in the frequency spectrum which corresponds to the wavelength of > >the transmitter. > > Hold on a sec... Are we to interpret this as saying comets contain radio > transmitters? Of some wavelength? If this is the case, these signals would > be detected much more reliably with "conventional" radio receivers. We are speaking of changes of the earth's magnetic field translated into voltage by the resistance of the earth. There is no physical transmitter. These > are constructed carefully using technology developed over the past 100 years > that is designed to eliminate all possible sources of interference or false > signals. Using a conductor (the earth), filled with piezoelectric > transducers (rocks), scattered with megawatts of electrical power grids and > numerous other sources of EMI/RFI does not a pretty receiver make! If you > don't beleive me, set an AM radio on top of your microwave oven and turn it > on... Are you hearing any stations? Are the noises you hear incoming UFOs? I > doubt it! You are forgetting the filtering techniques. We are using some very sharp CO filters. That is the beauty of earth reception. It seems that everyone has totally ignored the possibilities. Ever heard of the "Rogers" system which was used during world war 2? There are some areas concerning this underground communication system which are still classified. > > >Another member of the Elfrad Group with a research station located > >in California is also detecting these anomalies with a flux gate > >magnetometer which is very sensitive to changes of the earth's field. > > A sensitive fluxgate should mirror at least some of what is detected by the > ELFRAD receivers... As it should also mirror what some of the NOAA fluxgates > are picking up. Actually, I beleive they are using large coils of wire, and > not fluxgates. Which are just as sensitive and have better bandwidth than > fluxgates, if you don't need to carry one around in your shirt pocket. > > >A large magnetic body in space is known to generate > >a signal whose frequency is the wavelength, or half wavelength > >of the distance to another strong magnetic field such as a > >planetary body like the earth. If the object is moving, then the > >frequency will change with the distance and speed of the object. > >An increasing frequency indicates an incoming object, a decreasing > >frequency indicates an outgoing body. > > I do not dispute this... But to really know WHAT you are receiving requires > elimination of all other sources of radio frequency and magnetic energy from > terrestrial sources. Been there .. done that! > > >Whenever an anomaly like this one is detected, it will sometimes > >be several days before a frequency shift is noted. In this case, > >if there is an object being tracked, there will be sufficient > >data within a few days to determine the speed and whether it is > >incoming. > > > >We will keep you informed of any changes of the current situation. > > > >Thanks, > >Charlie Plyler > >Elfrad Group > >http://www.elfrad.net > > Kent and Charlie, I am open to all possibilities. But I remain unconvinced > that the ELFRAD system is capable of eliminating many of the plethora of > other signals that have natural and man-made origins. > > Regards, > > Chris Chris, I am pleased that you have raised these questions. Perhaps my answers have enlightened you somewhat. Please feel free for further discussion on this subject. If you are still unconvinced, let me know. Charlie Plyler Elfrad Group