||Re: TERRORISM and the USA
||9/30/01 12:20:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time
|From: firstname.lastname@example.org (Harry
would appreciate it if you would remove me from this list
Hope: U.S. Military and CIA Interventions Since World War
country is at war. Both the
commander and chief have officially stated
has become very simple. Either one is with us against the terrorists, or
one is with the terrorists against us.
Bearden, Lieutenant Colonel, U.S. Army
I am 100% with you against THE terrorists -
BUT the very real and important question is who
are THE terrorists ???
If one cannot look at all the angles and all sides of this and
if one can only take one largely solid US establishment viewpoint then humanity
is ultimately lost......................
I believe that in this 9/11 scenario it is very important to
look at how the Arab and Muslim world view the USA and the UK etc.
I presume you are upset about the nature of the the articles
I have sent to you re the CIA and US World actions in overthrowing elected
governments around the planet since WWII ???? I have forwarded these
articles to ensure that such viewpoints (other than those propagated
in the highly controlled Western mass media) with possible direct relevance
to these 9/11 incidents are communicated to my friends and thereby
hopefully to the World.
I always like to examine history and the other guys point
of view in an attempt to determine the possible future course of
events - including as many different viewpoints as possible on what has happened
in those events and in our mutual history - as recorded. US-UK covert
actions over the last few decades in the Arab-Muslim world are well documented
by numerous researchers and the accounts of these actions installing puppets
and dictators can be taken as largely true............ After all it was self
evident in Vietnam on many occasions and anyone with a few brain cells has
seen it across South America and the West Indies culminating in fairly
recent Panamanian events.....................
The average US citizen is totally unaware of most of this -
it is just not published in your press or TV - or if discussed it is
from a very limited 180 degree vector viewpoint.
eg. The Spanish documentaries on the several thousand persons
who "disappeared" (shot by firing squads os simply thrown in the Pacific)
at the hands of US troops in the recent Panama invasion have not been shown
or discussed on US media. Similarly the UK media made NO mention of the
involvement of the RAF in bombing into submission the poor Biafran - Nigerian
"rebels" a few years ago - yet it was headline news in the Swedish press
and well known to Biafran survivors who reached London.
Likewise the average UK or French citizen is unaware
of his governments covert actions in the Middle East arena. The average Arab
or Muslim however is NOT UNAWARE of this history - in fact
they literally seeth at what they percieve is a huge injustice and afront
to their manhood .................
Before your commander in chief unleashes war against the latest
"terrorist source" it would be wise to realise that a very high percentage
of the Arab-Muslim world views the USA as a terrorist state that is solidly
behind that other terrorist state - Israel - and that both the USA and Israel
have been standing on their necks since the 1940's. They view the world as
an American Empire with them as the slaves at the bottom of the pile.
The realities and truth of this (right or wrong) do NOT enter
into it - this is how they feel. I have spent a lot of time in these countries
travelling the deserts looking at the geology and talking with their people
(poor, rich, educated, uneducated etc.) around the camp fire etc. I
am absolutely certain that US-UK action against the Taliban WILL unleash
a wave of rebellion in the Arab-Muslim world, this will lead to civil war
in Pakistan, Egypt, (possibly even Indonesia ?), Saudi Arabia and the Gulf
states, AND will ultimately (over a few years) lead to many more horrific
terrorist incidents in the USA and Europe etc. Such events will undoubtably
polarise the World and will finally encourage some more capable
nations to have a go on their favourite local issue whilst we are engaged
elsewhere - eg China Taiwan, North Korea - South Korea etc. Make no mistake
about it - WE are ALL facing a very high threat of World War III - or
at least a titanic clash of civilisations - WEST v MUSLIM - a "Crusade"
in your commander in chief's words..............................
This could easily happen even though the ultimate source intention
that created the 9/11 terrorist acts might not have been from "Osama
bin Labelled". The real WHO might be sitting around gleefully viewing his
catayltic action and the resultant unfolding armageddon
............................ At the very least he will be condsolidating
his power over the World population via controls on humanities continuingly
rareified freedoms, money, credit, and trade.
Whilst I share the average USA citizen's immediate reactive
desire to destroy those responsible for this inhuman 911 event, I temper
that desire with an intention to get those truely responsible, as opposed
to following a media indicated hue and cry aimed at Osama Bin "Labelled".
I would like to avoid giving a blank cheque on reciprocal murder of yet more
innocent victims. We should take a long hard look at this action to determine
the WHO and the WHY..........When angry it is always wise to step back and
act with slow calm deliberation.
My personal preliminary viewpoint is to take a long hard
look at Saddam Hussein and/or those whith a vested interest in preserving
World Hegemony via the US Dollar ......................Who really benefits
from an early "controlled" collapse of World Trade and the US Dollar or from
initiation of World War III or the Third Crusade of West v Muslim
Many economic observers here and in Europe were predicting a
MAJOR collapse in the US Dollar and in World Trade commencing in late September
- early October. Simply put the USA has been living beyond it's means and
by following a policy of massive creation of credit has placed itself and
world trade in jepardy. REcent drops in US Federal Reserve interest rates
have begun to place the Euro on a higher footing than the US Dollar. Thus
investment funds have been fleeing from the USA to Europe. Japan had begun
to cash in her US bonds. Confidence in the US Dollar and the USA was beginning
to drop. Many major world companies have been going broke for the last year
- there have been serious corporate financial collapses prior to those now
claiming their demise is due to the events of 9/11.....................
I predicted last March in a letter to such an Australian
economic guru that we would see a "wild card" played just prior to this rapidly
unfolding economic collapse - inorder to ensure that World power remained
in the hands of those behind the Federal Reserve. I believe 9/11 was just
that ................ History shows us that where World Power is concerned
the top players are totally ruthless. World and/or major War appears to directly
result from deliberate causation by the would be money power of the day.
Forget nation states as cause - they and their elected leaders are usually
at effect (or bought and paid for) - this stuff is controlled from above
on the money lines. If you really think George Bush is running this game
then I would tactfully suggest you take another close look
We should be extremely careful investigating the source intention
behind 9/11. If you recall the Achillie Lauro cruise
liner incident was carried out by genuine palestinian terrorists who killed
an old jew by throwing him over the side and consequently got world
opinion soldily against the Palestine cause - BUT years later it came out
that the entire operation had been financed and controlled from above by
Mossad. They fooled even the Arabs who mounted the operation. I am not implying
Mossad WAS behind the events of 9/11, but recent events at the South African
UN event where Israel was labelled a "Racist State" and the ongoing bad press
over their actions in Palestine, and their loss of control of the USA in
your recent elections, make them at least a high on the list candidate
for thorough examination, along with the shareholders of the Federal Reserve
Bank, and Saddam Hussein - there should be a few others here too eg Russian
The 9/11 event ranks alongside the assassination of the Archduke
Ferdinand in pivotal moments of world history.
There is a VERY REAL danger of WWIII. Therefore it is EXTREMELY
IMPORTANT that we get it right - WHO to grab/destroy - WHAT to do to stop
such events in the future. We cannot blindly follow our "leaders" in this
early stage of the game. Here in OZ WE need more investigation and data.
I would not trust any one of these political types at this stage. I
temper that with the fact that I actually liked George Dubya Bush from what
little I saw of him on TV and if I was an American I would have voted for
him !!! Here in OZ I share a healthy skepticism about the veracity of
our political "leaders" with most of our population. We don't jump because
they say to - we like to decide for ourself, we are natural rebels, and are
basically in doubt over their true intentions - we extend that to the entire
political leadership of the world.
I have worked and travelled in many Islamic countries from
India (say15% muslim), Pakistan, Iran, Indonesia, Gulf states, and have
visited Saudi Arabia, the Sudan, and Egypt. Their highly numerous downtrodden
masses are normally difficult to motivate for anything. They appear to be
largely very low in IQ.Politically incorrect but unfortunately true.
BUT just shout JIHAD and AMERIKA and you will find zillions of screaming
lunatics well capable of handling an AK47 or an anti-tank missile and TOTALLY
convinced that YOU are the source of ALL their trouble.
Just as YOU are now convinced that Arab Terrorists such as Osama
bin Laden are the source of ALL your trouble.
The "Third Party" law points out that such "upsets" between
two people(s) are usually precipitated by a covert hidden third party telling
BOTH sides that the other is bad. Infact the bad (ON BOTH SIDES) are very
few and almost certainly in the pay or control of the hidden "third force".
The hidden source is the one we should be rooting out and I remain
totally unconvinced that this IS "Osama bin Labelled".
Malaysia and several African states could also easily get embroiled
in this new "game". If big stick bashing of third world people is the answer
then there are an awful lot of people you will have to bash - I hope you
are fully aware of the dimensions and backlash liabilities of that approach
One area that must be addressed ultimately is the social fabric
and lifestyle of the muslim masses in the countries held under by despots
that "we" installed ................. ANY western action
against Afghanistahn and the Taliban or a search and destoy action for Osama
bin Laden will almost certainly precipitate civil war in Pakistan and serious
trouble in other muslim countries controlled by puppet dictators or kings.
They will all be at risk - no wonder King Saud has flown to Switzerland and
Mubarek of Egypt is cuddling up to Saddam Hussein in the press. Installing
a long forgotten king in Afghanistan will only be repeating the same mistake
all over again....................... Your military industrial complex will
be guarranteed a pay cheque to infinity if such insanities are persued.
Logic and reasoning are not big in the reactive
poor Arab-Muslim world either ........................... Back
in the 1980's I was nearly lynched in Omdurman (Relief of Gordon from the
Mahdi whirling dervishes fame - opposite Khartoum - across the Nile) by a
mob of thousands who were told by a local rabble rouser I was an American
Reporter from Time Magazine photographing the poor of Sudan to make Sudan
look "backwards and small" to the World ................ In fact I was in
an official government car on a tourist sightseeing drive around Omdurman
and I took a photo of 100 locals climbing over one another to get on and
off a local tip truck "bus"........ I really thought that I would die as
they screamed and bounced rocks and sticks off our car roof. I actually
got out of the car to "take some with me" - when a cop car raced into the
crowd literally knocking them over in a swath and rescued us from a very
public stoning. Very Monty Python - but really quite terrifying.
I was actually attending the Arab World Mineral Conference to
see if there were any possibilities re gold exploration in the Sudan. Work
by a number of Australian geologists actually ended in active gold mining
there and jobs for a large number of Sudanese plus a lot of money ending
up in their (installed by us) political leaders Swiss bank accounts
...............These leaches (Great Leaders Numbers 1 and 2) actually told
us that the price of business in the Sudan was a very large donation to their
numbered bank accounts. Yet around them their people were literally starving
to death ...............These guys were later deposed by Muslim rebels
and I heard number two was hung. Such is the Kharma of
Given the US and British history of fomenting revolutions and
instaling puppet dictator-kings in the Arabic and Muslim countries I am not
surprised about the rise of Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein - If you or
I lived there as locals we would probably be right in there helping to overthrow
the wicked Satan (USA). But as a Westerner I just prey we can keep the lid
on this Genie - but I suspect years of suppression will be catalysed into
action over the next few months.
However show me the evidence proving Osama bin "Labelled"
Laden "dun it" and I'll line up to spread eagle him and his helpers on a
bull ant nest with honey applied liberally to his soft bits - they eat
meat quite slowly ....................... This will become a clash of
civilisations - neither are innocent or perfect - but I live in the Western
This means that ultimately in the final worst case scenario
I must PROBABLY adopt the line "My country (civilisation) right or wrong"
BUT I am NOT willing to give George Bush a blank cheque - just
However I might also add that several years ago (1980's) whilst
I was attempting to obtain finance for Australian Mining ventures in the
USA I became aware that your FBI were bugging my and US business associates
phones. Our operations suffered an enormous amount of FBI harrassment of
this evesdropping kind. About two years later an American colleague finally
gained access via FOI to his FBI files and found to his amazement that we
were being monitored as a group that was "attempting to overthrow the government
of the USA !!!" I can assure you that this was NOT the case and that I have
never felt the need to overthrow your government nor have I tried !!! We
howled with laughter BUT sobbered up when we realised just how crazy this
FBI investigation had been. It left me amazed and quite chuffed that
they believed I was THAT powerful. Probably some FBI nut that needed
to justify his existence or perhaps someone had it in for us AND had FBI
influence. BUT what credibility can I place on their ID of Osama bin
"Labelled" as THE guy behind the 9/11 (or the earlier WTC and Kenyan
bombing) events. Their investigation of TWA 800 and the OKC bombing
- to name but two - hardly leave me feeling the FBI are either capable or
truthful in these matters .....................
There is the rub - we the people no longer trust our governments.
When I visited you a few years ago you and your wife were of the same opinion
and you openly discussed how there was a need for a new American revolution
- yet now you are 100% behind your commander in chief ................
Here in Australia most of the people I know resent your
presidents line "You are with us - or against us"..................... Prior
to this statement we WERE actually 99% with you BUT take away our freedom
of choice with an implied threat and Australians (like all humans) react
negatively. NOW we are saying prove it was bin Ladden and your proof better
be bloody good..................... Whilst we are
willing to help totally destroy those responsible for the New York and Washington
incidents and are willing to put our lives on the line most Australians want
very very good proof of who was responsible BEFORE putting their families
lives and those of countless others on the line and possibly contributing
to the outbreak of WWIII.
US actions have led to the deaths of hundreds of thousands to
millions in these countries since WWII. You (and to some minor extent the
rest of the Western World) have lost say 7000 on 9/11...........
How we act now will decide just how many more will die - perhaps
it could determine if planetary life itself survives
Many are aware of the realities of world terrorism being derrived
from both state and small groups - all utilise it for political power.
If one is going to honestly tackle World Terrorism one must
stop both forms of political behaviour. That means curtailing both the CIA,
MI-5, ASIO, Mossad, and the Muslim "Freedom Fighters"..................and
rooting out those of like behaviour at the top and bottems of our respective
Anything else is pure humbug. To focus on bin Laden and ignore
your own state sponsored terrorism is just an employment of naked power.
You won't like the world that will emerge from that - even if you are successful
- you will NEVER be able to stop looking over your shoulders
I can respect that you are 100% behind your commander in chief.
But I do hope you can at least read an alternative viewpoint. If you
and others like you close your eyes to the wider realities of this issue
then I believe humanity is already lost.
The following quote is from one of your great countrymen - largely
responsible for leading Australia out of the Japanese terror
of WWII :-
"Our government has kept us in a perpetual state
of fear -- kept us in a continuous stampede of patriotic fervor --
with the cry of grave national emergency. Always there has
been some terrible evil ... to gobble us up if we did not
blindly rally behind it - (by furnishing
the exorbitant funds demanded).
General Douglas MacArthur - speaking of large Pentagon budgets,
Insanity may be defined as "Repeating the same action
a second time in the hope that the outcome will be
If the future is indeed to bash the World into submission then that is no
better then the recent terrorist intention.
I hope you can respect the fact that I am 100% behind humanity
and that I wish at all costs to avoid WWIII and the huge loss of life that
Please understand that if powers outside our control initiate
WWIII then I will be forced to be behind you guys - probably I'll actually
be in front !!!! BUT first I'll do everything in my power to stop this mass
insanity propagating out of control. If you (or the USA) cannot listen to
honest criticism from good friends then you are not the
great people or nation I have taken you for.
I have valued our friendship Tom and I hope it can last out
this most horrific time.
I repeat that if all goes wrong and war develops then I shall
be with you 100% but :-
(1) I will not follow you blindly and would rather see this
handled sanely. I wish to see the real terroists get zapped - after very
very good evidence to their identity has been tabled (preferably in the UN
and at the Hague International Court), and wish to see evidence that
the foreign covert "terrorist" policy of the US has been similarly curtailed,
(2) I totally reject your and your presidents assertion that
"If I am not 100% with you then I am with the terrorists" - I give blank
cheques to no man nor nation. I am not with the terrorists or against
you BUT I will not and cannot endorse a policy of major military intervention
that will lead ultimately to World War III.
If you and/or the US-UK Governments have some good intelligence
that justifies these planned military actions against the Taliban and bin
Laden and explains their being planned as long ago as last June (Indian and
BBC press) and explains why 20,000 British troops were already enroute to
the Gulf (at the time of 9/11) in the largest naval armada since the Falklands
War, then there are a lot of friends of the USA who would like to see
it. If you want our help then we believe you owe us the truth - not spin
doctored bullshit and veiled threats like you're with us or against
For too long the US has taken the allegiance of others for granted
with the attitude if it's good for the USA it's good for the planet. We
are your friends and we are all 100% against terrorism (of whatever source)
and if absolutely neccessary we will you help out in your war - BUT things
are gonna have to change re the centralised Rome type arrogance thing
Please re-confirm if you want my e-mail in future - or not.
Best regards and best of luck in whatever the future brings
you, your wife, and your nation.
Resident of Western Australia
Member of Human Race - Planet Earth