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Steadman
7/6/2002 4:00 PM BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad,
detection of a gravity wave
There is more than meets the eye concerning the huge solar prominence observed
on the SOHO EIT. Simultaneously on July 1st, 2002, the ELFRAD detection system
recorded an anomaly whose amplitude reached a peak at 1319 UTC time.
ORBIT presentation
Elfrad data
http://www.elfrad.com/prominence.htm
Jane Gernat
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Congratulations Charlie!
Kinda reminded me of a program I saw on the Discovery Channel, a year or
so ago. It was on ´Lightening´. How things like trees send UP a
´feeler´ (I forget the proper word) to the cloud that sends the
lighenting down to the tree. Anyone remember that?
OK! So they're called 'streamers'!
http://www.discovery.com/stories/skinnyon/980810/skinnyon.html
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pyxis
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
I don´t think so: systems such as LIGO should have been able to pick
it up too. Heard nothing about any breakthroughs from them.
The Black Friar
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
A gravit wave is also a Time Wave.
inhumanresource
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
can hardly wait until our militareptoids weaponize it
The Black Friar
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
How Gravitational Waves Lead to Space-Time Ripples:
www.space.com/scienceastronomy/astronomy/ LIGO_works_991115.html
Kent Steadman
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Is LIGO fully operational now? Their website seems to indicate that they
are "Preparing to search for bursts."
http://www.ligo.caltech.edu/
The Black Friar
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
LIGo Rules & Regs.:
LIGIsolation from Energy Source(s):
The authorized employee or contractor shall de-activate the energy isolating
devices so that the machine or equipment is isolated from the energy sources.
The authorized employee or contractor is responsible for verifying that all
energy sources have been identified and isolated and that the machine or
equipment has been rendered inoperative.
Applying the Lockout/Tagout Device: The authorized employee or contractor
shall obtain an approved lockout device from the Control Room. (An approved
lockout device consists of a padlock and a labeled lockout hasp.) The lockout
device must be signed out using a Lockout/Tagout form. After the form is
filled out, it is placed in the wall mounted paper slot identified as Active
Lockouts. The hasp and lock shall then be installed on the machine or equipment
in a manner that will prevent the re-energization of the energy source(s).
In the event that the machine or equipment is not supplied with adequate
means of hasp and lock installation, the authorized employee or contractor
shall obtain a sign labeled Do Not Operate from the Control Room and affix
it to the machine or equipment in such a way that it is clearly visible.
To use a "Do Not Operate" sign requires the documented approval of the
Observatory Manager. If a tagout is used instead of a hasp and lock, a
Lockout/Tagout form is still required to be filled out and placed in the
Active Lockouts slot. After the lockout has been installed, return the key
to the Control Room.
Release of Stored or Residual Energy: The authorized employee or contractor
is responsible for dissipating or restraining stored or residual energy.
Examples of stored or residual energy are capacitors, springs, air pressure
or water pressure. Examples of dissipating or restraining methods are grounding,
repositioning, blocking or bleeding down.
Verify Lockout/Tagout: The authorized employee or contractor is responsible
for verifying that all energy sources have been isolated from the machine
or equipment.
Isolation from Energy Source(s): The authorized employee or contractor shall
de-activate the energy isolating devices so that the machine or equipment
is isolated from the energy sources. The authorized employee or contractor
is responsible for verifying that all energy sources have been identified
and isolated and that the machine or equipment has been rendered inoperative.
Applying the Lockout/Tagout Device: The authorized employee or contractor
shall obtain an approved lockout device from the Control Room. (An approved
lockout device consists of a padlock and a labeled lockout hasp.) The lockout
device must be signed out using a Lockout/Tagout form. After the form is
filled out, it is placed in the wall mounted paper slot identified as Active
Lockouts. The hasp and lock shall then be installed on the machine or equipment
in a manner that will prevent the re-energization of the energy source(s).
In the event that the machine or equipment is not supplied with adequate
means of hasp and lock installation, the authorized employee or contractor
shall obtain a sign labeled Do Not Operate from the Control Room and affix
it to the machine or equipment in such a way that it is clearly visible.
To use a "Do Not Operate" sign requires the documented approval of the
Observatory Manager. If a tagout is used instead of a hasp and lock, a
Lockout/Tagout form is still required to be filled out and placed in the
Active Lockouts slot. After the lockout has been installed, return the key
to the Control Room.
http://www.ligo-la.caltech.edu/forms/lockout_tagout.htm
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out of level
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Some one check the atomic clocks for an oddity
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Kent Steadman
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
By the way I received Charlie´s first alert on July 2nd.
-----------------------
Date: 7/2/02 6:46:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time
From: cplyler@elfrad.com
To: BARDSQUILL@aol.com
Kent,There is more than just meets the eye concerning the huge solar flare
on Monday. Do you have any references to the event other than you have posted?
European maybe? Something really strange happened at that time. I need some
SOHO times to the second if possible. They were available at one time, now
I find them inaccessible.
Have possible evidence of instantaneous gravity wave recording. If true,
transcends the speed of light. Mind boggling.
-----------------------------
Since the July 2nd email from Charlie there have been several exchanges towards
getting the solar data/time established.
Charlie has been checking and double-checking data avidly since, both solar
and his own. Now he publishes for peer evaluation.
---------------------------------
Date: 7/6/02 9:38:17 AM Pacific Daylight Time
From: cplyler@elfrad.com
Hello Kent,
I have uploaded to: http://www.elfrad.com/prominence.htm an article concerning
ELFRAD´s detection of a gravity wave.
This may cause a lot of reaction from Scientific circles and the general
public.
Charlie Plyler
ELFRAD
Casara Williams
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
WAY TO GO, CHARLIE!!!!!!!!!
BobB
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
I am proud to have seen someone acomplish something the scientific world
may have to acknowledge conserning the current state of affairs in our solar
syatem, maybe some truth, and maybe even some peace of mind knowing the
facts
Juice
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
>>Have possible evidence of instantaneous gravity wave recording. If
true, transcends the speed of light.<<
Kent, if the prominence on the sun happened at exactly the same time as the
wave was recorded, then it is traveling AT the speed of light isn´t
it? The light we see from the sun is something like 8min old isn´t it?
Kent Steadman
7/6/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Best address that to Charlie. He might have an additional take since the
July 1st email, don´t know.
SS
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
hmm...would explain some things.
SS
Quest for Truth
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Working back up this thread;
The laws we have been taught and tend to believe...
Juice:
186,000 miles/second=speed of light (which is a limiting term in the sense
that it applies to all photon energy, or quanta. Photons eminate from individual
atoms as their own individual electron(s) (shells/cloud)) lower in energy
and emit this photonic energy particulate waveform. Atoms can also
´store/absorb/collect´ this energy (warming, higher
frequencies/vibrations), until electrons drop to lower orbits and release/emit
photons (cooling, lower frequencies/vibrations again. It is a rock solid
"speed of light" at any given wavelength for these quanta to cruise at, and
not just visible light, i.e. it includes xray, uv, infrared etc. They´re
all photons. TPTB want us to think of it as seperate energies eminating from
different areas like "human races" are seperated by language, color, and
border. It stems from chemistry/physics at the sub atomic level). Google
seek astronomical unit A.U. (why it is 93,000,000 miles), find the moons
distance, visualize Venus and Mercury (and whatever else you may see)inside
our orbit. Look back out towards Mars orbit, the asteroid belt, Jupiter and
its ever increasing satelite family. Do not forget Saturn or Uranus, and
Neptune and Pluto. They´re getting more ´moons´ too. Swing
farther out and see the oort cloud and whatever may be clipping along inbound
at us. Develop a bigger picture with "light year," "Parsec" then dabble in
"red shift" and "super string theory." Do not forget photons and quantum
mechanics. Go outside and see that the brightest star is not necessarilly
a star, or the brightest is the closest. Please post more insights and
"quest"ions. We all need more enlightenment from the etheric you. Try and
visualize it mentally. Your deep vision is no diiferent from Einsteins or
anyone elses. I was inspired to reply to you by you. Inuendos not intended
but noted. Clarification and evidence that our individual perceptions of
what we all learned/beleive are close to synch; rebuttalls/expansions welcome.
"Power of ten´ website can help you move in and out in your pineal gland.
Now try adding some tachyons. And of course gravity waves(?).
4 what it´s worth...
Please note I posted approx 24 hours ago ´Aurora Now´ and was rebutted
w/ ´thought not directed at Earth.´ Nevertheless it may be unexpected
for what its worth in our fishbowl matrix. Saw as driving towards the U.P.
with a steady ´11´ feature (2 spikes) eminating from the horizon
up to the zenith. Overcast tonight.
Misters S and P:
No doubt to others and myself I schooled with that something more is there
just beyond our noses. Scholasticland avoided our probing "quest"ions 20
years ago.
Something is there, but is it a wave form particulate similar to quanta?
or something in the ´etheric´ and tangible and instantaneous between
the empty molecular space? Something standing yet reverbaratory akin to sound
in a gaseous environment that transmits instantaneously ubiquitously? Sort
of a sub quanta that does not move yet is instantaneous in its transmisiveness?
Or is my noodle needing some other tangents chronically? How to figure out
detection is beyond my feebleness.
I am aware of some program for detection of G waves, a linear detector..,
perhaps in tejas? But have not honed up in a few years, any cliff´s
notes or shortcuts would be appreciated, I am drained but swirling.
Out of level:
Thanks for reminding me about the time...
Last checked and sent to Dr. KS 6/18/02
Today 7/7/02 0156 cdst I show a 50 second gain on my pc. 2.63 secs/day steady
for the last 2 readings. I have not touched no pc or mobo controls. I am
not going to reset this time, so the next time our urge strikes, we will
see time from a different angle. It would help to have a g-wave time flux
remote viewer to help time stamp before and after an event. Maybe it was
a gravity burp or wink that happened. Kinda of a "did you see that?" and
then back to normal.
LIGO:
Too tired to absorb more, Frair.... My initial gut takes me away from space.com
reports and more towards Aviation Week & Space Tech., Sky & Telescope,
Astronomy, JPL, NASA and other scitech websites. I love how they all clash
and send us willy nilly. Need to see LIGO when clear headed.
"A gravit wave is also a Time Wave"
Methinks and feel something different is in this duality. Both instantaneous
yet independent and yet of functional dependence, or rather divergence. Something
else is nudging time as we keep it. Something getting kick started or winging
nearby, with these burps resultant.
Dear Jane:
Streamers, feelers, sprites (vertical shots out the tops of t-storms): all
cool sights from on high, especially at night. Watched a lightening show
go from horizon to horizon, spanning hundreds of miles in seconds, all
interconnected and uninterupted to and fro, from 41000´ on couple of
occasions. Thought that kind of sighting was only visible from shuttle footage.
Awesome display of static continuity.
I wish you all could see that mini global vision from upfront on high...damn
fedregs.
Love, joy, and oneness.
Kent Steadman
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Trying to visualize myself, would a gravity wave be a kind of "everywhere
wave", not a stone skipping across the surface of space-time but within the
warp and woof of space-time itself?
http://www.science.psu.edu/alert/Finn10-2001.htm
"Einstein predicted the existence of gravitational waves in 1917 as ripples
in the fabric of space and time, but for several decades the idea seemed
exotic and remained in the realm of theory," explains Abhay Ashtekar, Holder
of the Eberly Family Chair in Physics, director of the Penn State Center
for Gravitational Physics and Geometry, and chair of the executive committee
of the Penn State Center for Gravitational Wave Physics. "It was only in
the 1980s that the existence of these waves was firmly established through
a decade of careful astronomical observations--an achievement so important
it was rewarded with a Nobel prize. We are now reaching a truly exciting
era when these waves will be directly detected on Earth, opening a brand
new window to the universe."
-----------------------
Maybe we are in some kind of simulator, a matrix-box, and some cosmic kid
comes along and kicks the case.
Kent Steadman
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
I cut/pasted this over from another Folder so we can see all the connections
here:
SS
7/7/2002 12:53 AM
Newborn White Buffalo?!
According to this message a new white buffalo was born July 1st:
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/phoenix-quest/message/6356
This is the same day as the sun prominence yes? Sure has been alot of white
buffalos born lately..
Juice
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Kent,
<Sure has been alot of white buffalos born lately.. >
I suppose the "white elephant" we have for a gov. needs some company.
Juice
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Quest,
Your reply thru me there for a sec,
what I mean is this:
If both the prominence AND the ELFRAD data are recorded at the SAME TIME
on the 1st, then knowning the speed of light and the distance/time that is
required for that light to reach the earth from the sun,knowing the position
of both the SOHO sat. and the ELFRAD station that recorded this data, then
it should be possible to calculate the EXACT speed of this "wave". It´s
"not-so-simple" math.
Kent Steadman
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Are we assuming that the wave went from sun to earth?
Or that the wave is classically electromagnetic, RF, Hertzian? Light physics?
"Maybes" on all counts. Einstein theorized that a gravity wave is something
coming from the fabric of space-time, potentially none of the above, although
it might carry secondary signatures. We might have to flirt into quantum
physics, non-locality, etc. Tesla hinted about "radiant energy", a totally
new aspect of what exists.
Here´s the GOES data for 7/1/02
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/ftpdir/plots/xray/20020702_xray.gif
Compare with what is happening today:
http://www.sec.noaa.gov/today.html
Quest for Truth
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Really has gotten "spikey." Be interesting to see what other effects may
unfold geoplanetary.
Just checked my nuke clock, was 50 seconds off last night, now I am 49 seconds
off....my drift has reversed itself.
Seems another observational point is needed (besides Earth environment
trigonometry) to verify the instantaneous g-wave. If this observation is
correct, we now have an 8 min wait for the photon source to show itself from
Sol. It would be nice to see the g-wave vs. photon calibrated event timing
from say Jupiter.
Anyone with a thought on the effect that microwaves have on the sun?
Where is Hawking when you need him?
BobB
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Dont know if this will help the scientific research you guys are involved
in, i´m not an astro-physicist, so Im not sure if its relavant, but
here goes...I have noticed a direct correlation between disruptions of the
Earths geomagnetic field and the output energy of the sun.Flares tend to
occur AFTER geomagnetic activity, and the electron flux always fluxuates
in direct response(or is it the other way around!)to the changes in the magnetic
field.On the day of the prominence, there was obviously a preceeding geomagnetic
disturbance
BobB
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
From another point of view,it could be argued that this planet is behaving
as a living thing, sending out distress signals to cause the sun to clense
the Earth of the biological infestation which is killing it...Just a though
inspired by my native american background
Kent Steadman
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Ever wonder if the whole universe could suddenly shrug?
ELFRAD
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Have been getting a few questions concerning speed of propagation,
comparison to LIGO, etc.
The best way I can answer is that LIGO uses an optical means to
measure displacement with a Laser Interferometer. We use a direct
connection to earth electrically isolated from the recording
equipment. Somewhat like an encephalogram (EEG) recording of the
mini voltages of the brain.
The earth itself acts as the receiver and the analysis equipment
translates the voltage variations caused by the displacement of the
earth, into a readable form such as frequency and amplitude of
the voltage.
Charlie
ELFRAD
Quest for Truth
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Cool Bob, It would be interesting to note if the flares timing is synched
exactly to the event here, or if it was maybe 16 minutes later that the flare
light reaches us.
I think we are all scientists at heart. Why pay the ´power overs´
for a slip of paper that says degree. Print your own up, and do not let anyone
in your university. Some of our brightest minds never finished school. They
were beyond it.
Check in later, busy body time now.
Love to all
greggus
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Phantastique sleuthing! Thanks Kent and Elfrad folks...
From conversations with Fred Meagher, circa 1978, regarding "gravity waves"
... "...every body generates a "signature standing wave" whose length is
the radius length (if a perfect sphere). Where the body is NOT a "perfect"
sphere, and water exists as a LIQUID on the surface, and the surface is not
COMPLETELY covered, vast cyclic weather systems are generated in the atmosphere,
between the lithosphere and the mesosphere, and creates a condition where
the "center of mass" and the "center of gravity" are NOT concident. They
revolve around a "zero-point". This all affects orbital calculations, length
of year, and seasons, pitch of Diurnal rotation, pitch of annual orbit, and
causes an occasional oscillation BETWEEN the earth and it´s primary
(sol) that is harmonically resonant in relationship to ALL the bodies in
a particular solar systsm.
Being able to detect "gravity waves" should also provide a means of navigation,
insofar as one should be able to (with solar system sized phased detection
arrays ((how DOES one sychronize an array THAT large in real time,?
computers!!))) create a data base of signatures for each and every body.
Sun, earth, other planets in our system, OTHER systems....the possiblities
are endless, if your detection arrary is large enough. Since source "objects"
(stars, planets and such) are fixed in their signature output frequencies,
then following a "beacon" back to it´s source would be "home-ing in"
Gregg
James N. Dickey
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Here´s a thought kinda related:
Does mass make gravity or does gravity atract mass.
Simularly which way does electricly flow + to - or - to +, How about both
voltage flows in one direction and amperage flows in the other.
If gravity is a form of energie would its speed be equatable to its wave
length and if wave is flat what would be its speed over distance be.
pyxis
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Well, shouldn´t other gravitational wave detectors pick up the same
thing you did *if* what was detected was indeed a gravitational wave? Perhaps
what was recorded was just another ULF/ELF anomaly from the sun?
Kent Steadman
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Look at the mag-readings at Gakona, data gap on the 1st.
Could a gravity wave fry or max the receivers?
hlotstations.gif
http://137.229.36.30/cgi-bin/magnetometer/gak-mag.cgi
Plot width, 1 week.
SS
7/7/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Well, if a Gravity Wave is a Time Wave, then this is Scalar.
I am away on expedition so do not have complete access to my archives and
notes, but I´ll try and explain best I can..
According to Scalar Technology, there´s a "Zero Point" which is a vaccuum
in which waves exist that oscillate longitudally. This vacuum is connected
directly to Time nad connects to everything in the universe. I could go into
more detail but I really require my archive and notes to make sure I get
it right. However, it seems that this gravity wave likely setup a new oscillation
in the "Zero Point Vacuum" or what I like to personally term "The Ether",
and if this is this case it likely will cause changes in the Space and Time
that we can directly percieve.
I remember recently Art Bell mentioning how people had wierd senses that
Time and Events had changed, that they had distinctly remembered certain
events occurring but they hadn´t occurred, like the Time-Line we were
on was somehow changed.
BTW...the Hindu God VAYU is known as the PURIFIER, and all things WHITE are
of VAYU.
I enjoying this expedition but I sure am missing my archives and notes. I
have a ton of stuff to add, this gravity wave occuring during that sun prominence
was indeed a breakthrough, probably bigger than you might realize..
out..
SS
Paul Sayer
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
SS states
"I remember recently Art Bell mentioning how people had wierd senses that
Time and Events had changed, that they had distinctly remembered certain
events occurring but they hadn´t occurred, like the Time-Line we were
on was somehow changed"
I,like so many others had a feeling that something bad was going happen on
July 4th, maybe it did!
Did a nuke war begin in India?
Did a large comet hit the Earth?
etc. etc. etc.
did i post this already????????
Worth a few moments of pondering
WHO IS IN CHARGE HERE?
NOT US, THAT´S FOR CERTAIN
Telling it as it was :)
stuart hart
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
A comment on speed or velocity.
Einstein´s ideas on speed and time were absolutely governed by the idea
that velocity is relative. There is no such thing as an absolute speed of
anything. What are we measuring but the relative speed of one thing compared
to another? We don´t know what the velocity of our patch in the universe
is because we can´t measure it and we don´t even know how big the
patch is.
Stu
Jane Gernat
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
ID Warrior said-
>the electron flux always fluxuates in direct response(or is it the other
way around!)to the changes in the magnetic field.On the day of the prominence,
there was obviously a preceeding geomagnetic disturbance<
And-
>it could be argued that this planet is behaving as a living thing, sending
out distress signals to cause the sun to clense the Earth of the biological
infestation which is killing it...Just a though inspired by my native american
background<
Talk about being ‘NSYNC’! Before I even log on to AOL this morning,
I thought - what sacred place did the gravitational wave come from that caused
the sun to produce the prominence? Even our Military bases are on sacred
ground. Just a thought.
Kent Steadman
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Tossing this 7/5 Central Alaska quake into the batch, somewhere up there
nearby Gakona
http://wwwneic.cr.usgs.gov/neis/bulletin/neic_gfar.html
[scroll up for mag-readings at Gakona, data gap on the 1st.]
A doubtful relationship, but things do seem flaky around HAARP.
Gravity wave: space-to-earth, earth-to-space, something deeper in the reality
banjo strings?
Mind?
Emily Cragg
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
...From the perspective of a metaphysical seer, what occurred on July 4th
was the breakdown in the Sun´s ability to correct for what is happening
on this planet. The Sun, as most programmed machines, was organized to turn
UP when such-and-such and turn-DOWN when such-and-such. It has dials and
switches that are not visible to human eyes, although the "Tower" IS VISIBLE,
which is obviously a control mechanism for the Sun.
...This planet is now "out of bounds" with its system environment. Within
a short period of time, the amount of oxygen in the atmosphere will dip below
15% and inhabitants will begin suffocating in their sleep.
...Good idea to berm into the ground with plants and create habitats, because
the HAARP system--desiccating as it is to the atmosphere--is methodically
removing oxygen from the air by depriving all plants of rain.
...The human brain does not function, with levels of oxygen under 20%, and
the body shrivels at 15%.
...Now, we´re going to see who the intelligent people are [who can preserves
their lives by moving to living eco-systems] and who are the ones totally
stupefied by sitting in front of their squawk boxes.
...They will all simply die of heart failure, who do not act to save themselves,
and very SOON.
...What you can do is bury a metal warehouse 10 feet into the ground, berm
it with straw and sod up to the ceiling and cover it with a glass roof. Live
with your plants in there, in tents, with portapotties and pump in fresh
spring water.
...That´s a relatively cheap way to go, that provides enough room for
several families to move around and have a small measure of privacy. Good
luck.
Juice
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Emily,
>>>...What you can do is bury a metal warehouse 10 feet into the
ground, berm it with straw and sod up to the ceiling and cover it with a
glass roof. Live with your plants in there, in tents, with portapotties and
pump in fresh spring water<<<
Speaking as a former member of USNAVY sub service,I feel the need to inform
u that your idea will only net you a slower death. The constuction and
maintenance of an enclosed boisphere is INFINITLY more complex than "bury
a metal warehouse..."!!
Juice
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Kent,
Are there any MORE pics from SOHO?
Would love to see the pics that cover the ENTIRE spike in the ELFRAD data.
We have only seen the pic for 13:19.
The ELFRAD data shows a "spike" lasting several minutes.
???????????
stuart hart
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Emily and Juice,
Which plants give off the most oxygen? - or is that irrelevant as most of
the oxygen comes from plankton who are kept clean and hygienic because the
whales eat them to prevent them massing and forming poisonous aggregations.
We need many more whales and much more plankton if we can offset the impact
of loss of atmosphere. There is in fact more surface water than land.
Stu
50.calibar
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
How about an underwater habitat? Could get oxygen from the water, and use
the currents to generate electricity. You could harvest kelp and such and
"hunt" fish for food. I read somewhere that they have "squeezed" aluminuum
and created a substance that is transparent and 10 times stronger than steel.
It would,seems to me,make an ideal building material for such a habitat.
Kent Steadman
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
"Are there any MORE pics from SOHO?"
"Would love to see the pics that cover the ENTIRE spike in the ELFRAD data."
Closest we can get is the EIT 195 showing activity for the duration of the
day. Notice a slightly different filter on this camera.
http://lasco-www.nrl.navy.mil/daily_mpg/020701_eit_195.mpg
Juice
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
GREAT!! Thanks Kent.
MALACLYPSE
7/8/2002 4:00 PM
Re: BREAKTHROUGH! Elfrad, detection
of a gravity wave
Not too surprising to hear about this "gravity wave"....this solar disturbance,
if you really look at it, is alot different than other "explosions" and/or
prominances.....it almost seems that a large layer of the Sun was just "peeled
away" by some passing object or force......really does.
Pamelacasara Williams
7/11/2002 4:09 AM
Gravity Wave
This probably makes no sense whatsoever, but here it goes.......in another post, we were speaking about dimensions converging....what if...this gravity wave of (I think) July 1st, which Elfrad picked up, is actually another dimension converging with earth. I have felt so energized the last week....more powerful....and more aware.....ok......we have (I think) parallel lives or selves residing in other dimensions....what if....when two dimensions collide....we become more whole....can anyone relate to this....?
Ed Dady
7/11/2002 4:16 AM
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Hey I can relate. Given that we are multidimensional beings eventually we will become aware of all of our simultaneous realities and also develop some mastery of same. I see this all coming together in 2012. Peace, Ed
Pamelacasara Williams
7/11/2002 4:18 AM
Re: Gravity Wave
Thanks, Ed....makes me feel good you can relate to my ramblings....peace to you, too.
goldenfire
7/11/2002 4:18 AM
Re: Gravity Wave
I freely accept that other dimensions thrive, but a convergence of more than one theoretically would cause the collapse of all involved as they function entirely independent of each other.
Say in one you had died; in this one you exist. You can not be both dead and living in the same space (Taoist´s excluded) :)
I really like your thought process..Keep expanding and realize I may be the one incorrect.
Anonymous Coward
7/11/2002 4:21 AM
Re: Gravity Wave
glad to see I am not the only late night person around.
As to collision, hmmm, I feel that it´s possible there could be some merging of other aspects of self. Although from my
dream time, my alternate is still lagging
about two weeks from this time frame.
Yammy
white solar wizard
added that in special for someone here
who just loves the mayan names.
Pamelacasara Williams
7/11/2002 4:31 AM
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OK....well....to me death is just a doorway....to another dimension....a change in vibration....if one dimension collides with another....would the higher vibrational dimension not dominate? However, before the cooling off period....there would be a mixing up.....a chaos......then a melding....choices would be made....probably subconscious....then a melding.....a new creation....
Ed Dady
7/11/2002 4:36 AM
Re: Gravity Wave
We live in this physical reality in a realm of duality. Good/bad, light/dark, up/down, inside/outside. If you look at all the major religions of the world they all have one thing in common-The One. Having experienced trancendence of duality on a few occasions and been immersed in the realm of Unity conciousness I know that all physical reality is truly illusion and that none of this has ever existed. The only problem I have is that I keep getting caught up in the illusion. I do know I will live to see the day when we shall have heaven on earth. Can you imagine what it would be like for everyone on the planet all at the same time to be dancing in the streets? Peace,Love and Eternal Cosmic Wisdom, Ed
Pamelacasara Williams
7/11/2002 4:49 AM
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Wow, Ed, I can so relate to "heaven on earth" and "dancing in the streets". I know if you are observing all of this from the soul´s perspective (the soul sitting on a hill....watching a parade below.....a soul can observe the beginning and the ending of the parade.....but if you are an incarnated entity (apart of that soul) you maybe in the front of the parade(if so...you cannot see the end).......another incarnated entity (apart of the same SOUL) maybe at the end of the parade....(cannot see the front), all of this maybe an illusion. The SOUL sits on the hill....observing...taking it all in.....however, the entities are in their own worlds....to them....it is real....because they have not yet melded with the SOUL. I know this may sound weird, but it is the way I see it. From the soul´s perspective, it may seem like an illusion....daydreaming...but the characters or entities in the dream are actually __experiencing___the physicality of the experience....the motion.....the emotions....while the SOUL SITS AND TAKES IT ALL IN.
Kent
7/12/2002 8:57 AM
Re: Gravity Wave
I think the dimensions might be continuous with curved space in between each dimension (geometry-symbols).
Kinetics, another language, a moving body increases in mass decreases in time gradually, Einsteinian stuff.
Shadows, cast images or ripples more the language of the poet.