8/27/2007 11:03:20 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Dear Kent,
The assertion that a relatively sudden change of 26 degrees in polar inclination
would not be noticed is ridiculous. Even the 2,000 mile shift posited
in his article is a distance that all would notice, not only in the night
sky but also in terms of drastic temperature changes far more extreme
than what we are experiencing. After all, the precession of the equinoxes
was noticeable even to primitive astronomers. We know this since ancient
Egyptian and Babylonian astronomers were already well-versed in it, which
is really amazing when you think about it. Thus, contrary to the bald
assertion on the linked webpage that it would make little or no difference
in the appearance of the night sky, that's simply untrue. It makes
a big difference as to when celestial objects appear above the horizon, when
they can be found at a certain time of night on the star charts and so on.
If the precession were suddenly augmented by an additional 26 degrees, none
of our star charts would work, our astronomy software would not work, and
so on. Also, if our continent were 26 degrees tilted into what is
essentially the hotter area of the Earth half of the day, we would really
notice that Even changes of smaller degrees of arc as one travels south
have a profound effect on the ambient temperature experienced by the
traveler. In other words, no way this guy is right.
SuperSleuth
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REPLY
A permanent tilt does seem preposterous although I do wonder what this is
all about. Could a CME temporarily rock the earth such as hitting
a spinning top with a blast of wind--Kent
Effect of CME 12/7/2006 10:00
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Inuit
seek answers to Arctic sun quirks
Last Updated: Friday, March 9, 2007 | 6:21 PM ET
CBC News
Some Inuit say they hope scientists coming to Nunavut for research as part
of International Polar Year can help shed light on changes they're seeing
in the sun — particularly, how it's been showing up more often in the
usually always-dark winters.
For the past several years, residents in the High Arctic have observed that
the winter dark season is ending earlier than usual, with the sun coming
up at a different place than what people are used to seeing.
"The people [are] talking about earlier sunrise, more light in the dark season,
instead of being more total darkness than before," Grise Fiord resident Larry
Audlaluk said Thursday, adding that he has heard similar observations from
people in other Far North communities.
"There are notices of more daylight earlier, and the dark season is not the
real dark season that we used to know."
A bit further south, Igloolik Mayor Paul Quassa said hunters have noticed
the same phenomenon.
"This year, the sun started coming up so fast that it's almost like April
when it's mid-February," he said.
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Scientists
Spot 'Tsunami' on the Sun
So what would such a powerful quake on the sun do to earth?--Kent
P.S
That same sunspot blasted us again on 12/14/06
http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/latest_events_summary/gev_20061213_0214/gev_20061213_0214_lm.html
My old pages for these immense solar events
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback220.html
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/indexback221.html
also:
http://www.lmsal.com/solarsoft/latest_events_summary/gev_20061213_0214/gev_20061213_0214_lm.html
Seems to me that in either case the earth received glancing blows. Enough
to literally rock the earth and effect axis? Don't know.
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8/28/2007 7:51:03 P.M. Pacific Daylight Time
The observations of the Eskimos notwithstanding, the astronomy software on
my computer in Newport Beach which was written six years ago before the last
alleged shift and solar incident nevertheless precisely and accurately predicts
the location of some 175,000 celestial bodies relative to my position, verified
by use of my telescope (obviously, not as to all 175,000 of them, but the
point is that if the major ones are where they are supposed to be, so are
the others, since the Universe is of a piece in this regard). The scenario
is simply contrary to easily verifiable data. Global warming effects (if
there really IS global warming, a fact yet to be convincingly demonstrated)
might have the collateral effect of making the sunrise seem earlier, etc.
in the part of the globe where the Sun never sets, and so on. But the fact
remains that we would have serious navigational problems and a host of other
effects that are simply not occurring if this guy's assertions were even
partially true. For instance, the Sun is rising and setting locally here
in California at exactly the times that it has for the past 56 years. Hard
to believe that could be the case here but that it would be different in
Alaska. There is so much going on that is a legitimate source of concern
and government coverups; we should not be spending our time on such ill-informed
and unscientific babbling. At a time when the greatest and most humane nation
on Earth is being taken over by vile plutocrats and ignorant vermin like
Bush, fantasies about unnoticed vast polar shifts are beneath consideration.
SuperSleuth
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REPLY:
Still wondering about a transitory shock and wobble last December, maybe
from a series of jabs from the 5th to the 16th approximately.
Initially we saw a powerful flare, producing in fact a tsunami on the sun.
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/061208_solar_tsunami.html
Could the CME have listed the earth for a spell? This is my key question
from all of this.
I witnessed a much smaller CME in 1998 hit hard enough to blow some of the
earth's atmosphere permanently into space.
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/newhome/headlines/ast08dec98_1.htm
http://science.msfc.nasa.gov/videofiles/physics_astronomy/uvi/sep98/uvi_sep98.mov
Kent
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8/29/2007 12:10:13 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Yes, they can be powerful, even deadly, but basic physics dictates that for
it to hit Earth hard enough to change its angle of rotation it would have
to blow away the atmosphere and much else. Plus, again, all of the empirical,
physical evidence is that there has been no change, save the usual precession
(very subtle) and whatever rotational and orbital changes may have attended
the great Southeast Asian quake that caused the deadly tsunami (while all
of its effects were impressive, even affecting Earth's rotation slightly,
the net effect was not enough to bring about the alleged changes, either).
A big CME would have to go beyond an extinction level event before it could
affect Earth's orientation. So, the guy gets credit for imagination, but
no cigar for accuracy.
SuperSleuth
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8/29/2007 7:58:05 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time
Kent,
Do you have an archive of what was at this link?
http://www.divulgence.net/
It ~~left~~, which, of course makes me think more that this might have been
real.
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