Do we have comet-killer spacecraft out there?
I wonder about the whereabouts of Deep Space One, allegedly "retired" several years ago.
An email I received several years ago, rather conspiratorial, take it or leave it:
The Mission of Deep Space One:
1. Evaluate effectiveness of magneoplasma energy (magnetic control of plasma) in space.
2. Evaluate capabilities to intercept and neutralize comet.
More:
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Readbetw.htm
Alternate version of Deep Space One mission:
April Mars fly by
June Closest approach to Comet 76P/West-Kohoutek-Ikemura
July End of DS1 primary mission
[some of us wondered if the lads were attempting to terraform Mars by melting a "dirty snowball" near Mars orbit although "officially" the Mars flyby was scrubbed and....rerouted.]
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/june3.html
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/june2.html
Compare to Deep Impact, a known comet impactor
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/tempel.html
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Question: do we now have the capability to physically disturb comets? The answer is yes we do, Deep Impact, eh?
I started scratching my head, as did mainstream astros when we saw [with the help of Hubble then] Comet Linear break up beyond expectation.
"This was a complete surprise to us," said Harold Weaver, one of the researchers at John's Hopkins University who viewed the comet's first outburst. "I couldn't believe it when I brought these images up on the screen -- the first day it looked like a normal comet, and then the next day was just completely different."
http://www.space.com/scienceastronomy/solarsystem/hubble_linear_000727.html
And yes, 73P/Schwassmann-Wachmann 3 is in the stew too.
http://www.spacetelescope.org/news/html/heic0605.html
Just playing with nagging possibilities... that still nag, especially since I found some old notes and emails...
http://www.cyberspaceorbit.com/Readbetw.htm
C'mon Hubble lads, astrophysicists, Jesuits, whomever you are, get off your butts now, that'll certainly help...
Malachi Martin
http://members.aol.com/capnkent/malach2.ra
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Interesting year old Email about Comet Holmes
11/11/2007
11:19 pm
I plan to show this to several sites if anything comes of it. Thought you guys could use a conspiracy. A friend whose mom is a programmer sent it to me.
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Hey xxxxx,
I know how you love conspiracies. Here is an email that Mom discovered when she was cleaning the computer at the library. She claims the date sent was June of 05. If this is true, you may have one!!
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From: XXXXXXX
Sent: XXXXXXX
XXXXXXXX
13/06/2005
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Deep Impact will rendezvous with the comet TT on July 4, 2005. We will have five months to pour over the numbers. Hopefully, we will know the megatons needed for our last shot with Holmes. We plan to launch December 14th using a Boeing Delta 7920 with the launch name USA 193 (NROL-21) carrying the nuclear payload. As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer.
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The calculations for changing Holmes’ orbit should be in by late November as the impact will be approximately. a month earlier. We have XXXXXXX working on this even now. I wonder if the “impact” will be visible. The comet will be getting farther from the sun by then, so any explanation will be interesting.............
The meetings with ULA have been productive.
Please keep me up to date on the negotiations with the needed equipment..........
I sent this email to you using the library for anonymity. Please make no copies and continue the preparations.
Let’s hope for some fireworks this Independence Day.
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Regards,
XXXXXXXX
The way I understand is that Holmes was the last practice using a nuke before the "As it stands, if we can launch before December 2007, we will have 9 months before intercept, and 16 months for the answer." event.
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Sleuthing:
Boylan: National Reconnaissance Organization (NRO), controls and collects information from global spy satellites, monitors UFO traffic entering and leaving Earth's atmosphere, coordinates firing of energy beam weapons from orbiting Star Wars satellites at selected human ground and airborne targets and selectively at extra-terrestrial craft, Pentagon basement and Dulles Airport area, VA.
Alternately
(NRO) (aka MJ-TF), the military/intelligence operations arm of the PI-40 Subcommittee, conducts surveillance, interdiction, capture and confiscation of UFOs and their extra-terrestrial occupants for intelligence and "International Security" purposes; surveilles and "interacts" with close encounter experiencers, including occasional physically and sexually assaultive mind control kidnappings disguised as "Alien abductions" for psychological warfare and dis-informational purposes, headquarters unknown, probably compartmented and dispersed among various elite Delta Force Special Operations units, such as the USAF Blue Light at Hurlburt Field, Mary Esther, FL and Beale Air Force Base, Marysville, CA.
Men in Black
Boeing Delta 7920
NROL-21
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The United Launch Alliance launched a Boeing Delta 7920 on Dec 14 carrying a secret National Reconnaissance Office payload. The payload was to be deployed into an initial 354 x 376 km x 58.5 deg orbit. In contrast to most secret launches, analysts appear to have little clue as to what this payload may be. It has been given the cover name USA 193; it was on launch manifests as NRO launch 21 (NROL-21).
http://www.planet4589.org/space/jsr/back/news.575
Dec 14 2100 USA-193 (NROL-21) Delta 7920 Vandenberg SLC2W Unknown 57A
http://www.planet4589.org/space/jsr/back/news.576
Saturday, December 16, 2006
USA 193/NROL-21 Launched
The National Reconnaisance Office, in conjunction with United Launch Alliance, has successfully launched USA 193/NROL-21 into low earth orbit
http://mt-milcom.blogspot.com/2006/12/nrol-21-launched.html
The payload was a classified satellite from the National Reconnaissance Office, NROL-21. The satellite separated from the rocket and entered its orbit at 3:58 p.m., after the Delta II carried it at speeds exceeding 15,000 miles per hour.
The two-stage rocket, a Delta II 7920-10, was 12 stories high, had nine strap-on solid rocket boosters and a 10-foot diameter nose cone.
The satellite's orbit is about 200 miles above the Earth.
[comment: that's a big two-stage missile isn't it, for a low orbit?]
http://www.decaturdaily.com/decaturdaily/news/061215/launch.shtml
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USA-193/NROL-21 launched on December 13, 2006, at 2100 UTC (1600 EST) from the Western Test Range, Vandenberg AFB
NROL 21 is the cover-name for one-off classified satellite. Although nothing is known about the mission, the orbit hints for an experimental radar reconnaisance satellite.
A few weeks after launch reports emerged, that ground stations were unable to communicate with an expensive experimental U.S. spy satellite launched last year by the U.S. National Reconnaissance Office (NRO). Efforts were said to be continuing to reestablish communication with the classified satellite, which cost hundreds of millions of dollars, but "the prognosis is not great at this point," said the defense official, who asked not to be identified.
The official said the problems were substantial and involved multiple systems, adding that U.S. officials were working to reestablish contact with the satellite because of the importance of the new technology it was meant to test and demonstrate.
An other source said the satellite had been described to him as "a comprehensive failure."
In August 2007 the satellite has been declared a complete loss and will be allowed to decay from orbit.
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USA 193
Date: Tue Sep 18 2007 - 03:37:19 EDT
Very early pass here 0400 GMT , 80 plus degrees elevation
Brighter than expected ( mag 1 ) and faster too !
Image at
http://mysite.wanadoo-members.co.uk/satcom_transits/USA__193x2.jpg
Mars shown using same set up ( featureless ) for comparison
I think we are seeing the body of the spacecraft , possibly dish antenna ,
but no sign of arrays.
Did the bird fail as the arrays did not deploy ?
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11/17/2007 8:52:03 A.M. Pacific Standard Time
Do you really believe that we have surreptitiously employed probes ostensibly tasked to more mundane missions to assault incoming comets on an experimental basis in order to develop an intercept and destroy capability? Also, was it not decided long ago that trying to blow them up would be counterproductive, as resulting in a large mass of pieces just as dangerous as the whole, indicating that diversion was a more practical goal? I would think that staffing the original mission and then having it diverted and having a secret staff to continue the real mission would be more expense and complication than the budget would allow, not to mention the security problems involved. Since NASA is already under criticism in Congress and elsewhere for not allocating sufficient resources to the effort to prevent dangerous Earth impacts (in preference to Moon and Mars missions), it seems unlikely that they would keep such missions hidden.
Having said that, and the question still nags, when that Mars probe went out of orbit and it was said that it was some silly sort of math error by someone, that did seem a bit much. As for the Deep Space probe, well, who can say?
I doubt that there is the budget for this sort of thing. I likewise doubt that there is any political motivation to keep it secret, since there is a good deal of clamor out there for just such a program (or, in the broader sense, some sort of program to address the problem, if not in this specific way) that a visible effort of this kind would serve to mollify. What's the payoff in going to the extraordinary lengths required to keep it secret?
With regard to the unusual phenomenon of exploding comets that we have seen lately, is it not probable that this sort of thing has been going on all of the time but that our observational abilities have improved to the point that we now are able to see such things happen, in contrast to earlier times? It is important to recall with respect to the rush of scientific information that now meets us every day that 90% of the scientists who ever lived in recorded history are alive right now. Even though our educational system's presentation of scientific progress makes it seem like a logical progression and ineluctable expansion of knowledge, the fact is that it was idiosyncratic, halting, spasmodic and highly dependent upon the insights of a few gifted individuals until we began to systematize the process around the turn of the century. Most of what we know we have only come to know in the past seventy years, with the bulk of that knowledge acquired later. Hence, it appears to me that one can arrive at where we are with respect to exploding comets without resort to conspiracy theories.
REPLY: Hubble dude Weaver and his Applied Physics Lab gang at Johns Hopkins are purse-stringed by the NRO, who at one time had unlimited budget as well as unlimited anonymity.
http://www.nationjob.com/job/jhap928 Johns Hopkins has been doing weapons stuff since Pearl Harbor when the lab was first slapped together, later missiles, on and on.
We already know the lads in Mil/Indus/NASA probe and toss things at comets.
NASA has been recently pressed to deal with the incoming threats [at least as a cover project], you know, do something practical for the practical boom boom mob.
11/17/2007 6:41:44 P.M. Pacific Standard Time
A bit too tenuous a set of connections for me. However, as you've been right before when I first pooh-poohed your premise, I'll say it bears watching for further consideration. It is hard to imagine what purpose such preparations could serve, since alien craft could easily avoid such a defense and our rivals have nothing in space now or in the foreseeable future that cannot be destroyed with much less powerful devices. A spaceship is the easiest thing in the world to destroy, so long as it is one of ours.
As for dealing with comets themselves, and asteroids, too, it seems that less is more. Changing their orbits would be easier to accomplish, requiring technology that we already have developed with just a little bit more. However, I suppose the big explosion approach might be something to keep in reserve when all else fails, assuming that 50 MT would have the desired effect, which I doubt. As awesome as thermonuclear weapons are, from the standpoint of destruction of all things living and built, they still are not quite up to the planetoid-busting job. Of course, if we've learned how to make something bigger . . . .
REPLY: If they blasted the comet maybe it's about practice for anticipated bigger [military] events. The deal is we are free to guess because the comet guys have no idea what the hell is going on.
If they want me to guess, by gum I'm going to range around on the fringe and then do a humdinger guess.
In this guessing there are by the way sneaky things going on. Some of the Italian astro-geeks won't let me post their [uncopywrited] images. Other sleuths and guessers are being intimidated.
It's fun actually [I smell Jesuits: WHAT IS COMING? Father Malachi Martin].
Most of the guessing and anti-guessing is unraveling over here.
http://www.alien-earth.org/forum/message.php?message=6402&mpage=1&showdate=11/6/07
11/15/2007 11:22 am
kent back off alittle looks like [Anon] is taken down. It was you two who made hubble release those images alot of media reporters lurking and watching you and reading these informations, and maybe a call was placed to them, and they released images asap. please kent back off alittle as a friend.
11/17/2007 2:57 am
If you were the President, and your top scientists, NASA, Military Generals informed you of many incoming asteroids, small and large. There was nothing to stop them all.
Let's say ... possible impacts around Christmas, or before ...
As President, would you inform the public or keep it quiet ?
If I was President .
I would keep it quiet, and do what they are doing now.
REPLY: You might want to look here at a report from the Beltway:
UPDATE FROM DENISE: June 1st, 2002
MEANWHILE WE HAVE THIS:
| MYSTERIOUS OBJECT: [translate]"Yesterday evening I made a series with CCD + 200mm f2.8 to try to see if Holmes remained bald or not. Besides 2 h of poses (65 x 120s) with KAF1603ME and blue filter, all that I achieved in catching it is the bright gradient of neighboring football stadium. And then by looking closely, I saw a trace left by a small object which moved during the exposures. Between 19 h 30 and 21 h 50, it moved about 10'. You can see his trace down to the left on the following photographs"--astrosurf.com AVI |
