Subj: Re: Possible Weirdness at White Mountain Date: 7/29/99 9:32:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: Quickdraw@Gila.net (Huns) To: bardsquill@aol.com I can tell the fax from address @cybertrails.com is an Arizona Public Service Co. internet provider. This is the electric utility company servicing all Arizona. I am in Globe, AZ and this is one of our local service providers also. Incidentally I am about 2 1/2 hrs. south of the White Mountain region. Last month I was in that area and picked up a local paper. In it was an article about an underground city approx. 17 miles north of Show Low (in the region) where crystals were coming up out of the ground on this man's private property of many acres. The man had been trying to get the government to stop looting of Indian burial grounds on the site. He had contacted many agencies with no response and was finally putting the information in the paper to get public awareness of the problem. It was full of other information mentioning black helicopters; a reported buried alien spacecraft and warnings from ex-government officials to "leave it alone". The whole article sparked my curiosity. I will try to see if I can find this paper to at least give you more details. Leora quickdraw@gila.net ---------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: EMAIL RESPONSE White Mountain Date: 7/29/99 6:04:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) To: Phikent@aol.com, Quickdraw@Gila.net, bardsquill@aol.com Hi Kent! Yup, cybertrails.com is an APS company. I chose them as my ISP because the only other choices up here in the payson area were small "Mom and Pop" operations (one of which has been down all weekend). I figure APS will have their servers up when almost everybody else's is down for whatever reason. Besides, they cover the state with many local connect numbers so if I do any traveling, I can still connect and check email. So much for that (no, I'm not an internet "agent provacateur" for APS - just passing along some info I'd like help verifying). As to the rest of this response - now THAT's more like it! It's getting harder for the government to deny that there's anything going on with them and the aliens. What we need is more people turning to the net and exposing these operations instead of knuckling under to the feds. If enough people become aware of what's really going on - sooner or later the feds will have their backs up against the wall and they'll have to either admit what's happening - whether or not the aliens want them to keep quiet about it - OR pull the plug on everybody (thereby admitting with their action what has been going on all along). The last thing the government wants is the first thing the people need: for the secrecy to end. Dirk Phikent@aol.com wrote: > EMAIL RESPONSE White Mountain > > Subj: Re: Possible Weirdness at White Mountain > Date: 7/29/99 9:32:53 AM Pacific Daylight Time > From: Quickdraw@Gila.net (Huns) > To: bardsquill@aol.com > > I can tell the fax from address @cybertrails.com is an Arizona Public Service > Co. internet provider. This is the electric utility company servicing all > Arizona. I am in Globe, AZ and this is one of our local service providers > also. Incidentally I am about 2 1/2 hrs. south of the White Mountain > region. Last month I was in that area and picked up a local paper. In it > was an article about an underground city approx. 17 miles north of Show Low > (in the region) where crystals were coming up out of the ground on this man's > private property of many acres. The man had been trying to get the > government to stop looting of Indian burial grounds on the site. He had > contacted many agencies with no response and was finally putting the > information in the paper to get public awareness of the problem. It was full > of other information mentioning black helicopters; a reported buried alien > spacecraft and warnings from ex-government officials to "leave it alone". > The whole article sparked my curiosity. I will try to see if I can find this > paper to at least give you more details. > > Leora quickdraw@gila.net ----------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Date: 7/29/99 1:36:25 PM Pacific Daylight Time From: lemoine@mentor2000.com (Gregory L. Le Moine) To: angelbooks@cybertrails.com, phikent@aol.com, ykimared@televar.com I am responding to the page which is still posted at the following address: http://www.geocities.com/HotSprings/Spa/1219/MiscHTML/PhoenixEvac.html I would like some additional information as i am in a VERY good position to EASILY confirm or deny the post. I am not too far from the White Mountains area and have numerous contacts within the BLM, USFS, DOI, and the USPS and state, county and federal law enforcement agencies in the White Mountains area. Before I approach them I would like some additional information: A copy of the actual letter with the origin and writer listed as well as the date of issue. You can fax a copy to me at 520-474-5409 or e-mail the info in a reply to this message. I am surprised that a copy of the letter wasn't posted on the site, or other sites, ESPECIALLY since there were "1500 received"! It ought to be VERY easy to find a copy. Also, with several newspapers in the area I have not yet heard of anything about this. The postings, to me, at the least, are highly suspect! It should be noted that there were a series of wildfires in the White Mountains area at the time you indicate for the letter having gone out. It was my understanding that some residences in the area were evacuated with notices being posted in the event of larger evacuations. The wildfires made National News. Could THIS be what the "letter" was originally intended for and someone is starting another "Internet Rumor"?? It would seem to be very prudent that an attempt is made to confirm or deny this as soon as possible to keep credibility within the groups distributing this information. I can get the confirmation/denial within a few MINUTES of receipt of the requested letter(or information) and send an immediate response to you folks and any of the websites involved. The original Webpage narrative is duplicated below.... _______________________________________________________________ Phoenix Evacuation? Dear Readers: I have no idea as to the veracity of the following information. However, I did feel that it should be shared. If anyone has some TRUE information about this, (and wouldn't mind it being posted here), please write to me at: ykimared@televar.com Angels ARE with you! Love, Caro ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Hi Gang, This is from Beth. First part, just a note to me, but DOOOO read the other stuff. Does ANYONE know anything about this???? Seems strange to me that we here in Arizona have heard not a murmur of this!!!!! Think it sounds like a bunch of baloney and someone is pipe-dreaming or being an "instigator." If anyone has heard anything on this, please do let me know. Still, as mentioned, sounds like "propaganda" to me!!! Love, Dar Subject: Evacuation notice for Phoenix? Date: Wed, 28 Jul 1999 13:54:14 EDT Hi Darleen, I just ran across this message on the ORBIT page. It sort of confirms the notice which was sent to the San Diego Sheriff's Department telling them to advise the public to have small valuables and papers packed (no clothes) ready for evacuation on short notice. (I have heard no public notice) The notice to the Sheriffs was on the Gary North page under the heading Martial Law. Hope you are on your computer so you can tell me what to think about this, beth ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- --- Subj: text of fax to art bell Date: 7/27/99 2:53:07 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) To: phikent@aol.com (Kent Steadman) Just in case any of you were wondering, yes, i sent the FAX that Hilly Rose read over the air about the White Mtn area residents being given evacuation notices. Here's the complete text: Mr. Rose, Good morning. Interesting program - but a bit too late. Latest word from White Mountain area in Arizona: 2 weeks ago approx 1500 residents rec'd mailing from the Dept of Interior / US Forest Service, US BLM (?), and US Postal Service giving NOTICE that they were subject to a possible future "20 minute notice of evacuation". Instructions were brief: they are to take only identifying documents (passports, licenses, birth records, etc.), any cash on hand, no mention of personal items or clothing. They are to proceed to a specific rendezvous point in their area, whereupon white vans would transport them to "holding areas" (and subsequently to temporary housing?). They are also to "mark" their house with a white flag or towel or sheet - hung somewhere near their front door to indicate they have been evacuated when troops move into the area. After many questions to their local law enforcement and other government officials, the feds apparently answered some of their questions. 1. The reason for them getting the notices is because of their proximity to an underground government facility. 2. The feds expect some kind of emergency situation in the near future. 3. Their houses will be needed to house a large number of "flatlanders" (the feds' term) from Phoenix. Approx. 100,000 people will be evacuated from Phoenix after which "the bridges will be blown" - apparently to prevent any further escape by residents of that city. This was related to me by someone known to Richard Hoagland (I was one of the Turret Peak correspondents last Dec) and I feel him to be a credible source. He came through yesterday on his way to a Northwestern community with the intent of surviving whatever is coming up there. [please refrain from reading the next statement over the air- use this for verification: His initials are (left blank for this email)] We are awaiting documentation from one of the residents/recipients of the noticefor further verification. Additionally: according to a message on the APFN, the 101st Airborne in (NC?) has been on alert status for a few weeks now - ostensibly with the purpose of support in operations against American Militia groups slated for August 4th. Other information on the same website www.insidetheweb.com/mbs.cgi/mb77532 indicates that Cheyenne Mtn is also at defcon 3 status and has been for some time. The weird side to this: White Mtn is ALSO reputed to be an underground ALIEN base (reptilian) acccording to many UFO fringe researchers. Also discussed in some of these circles is the oft-repeated idea that the reptilian compadres of the government will not be able to maintain their illusion of human form much longer and that THIS is what will possibly cause panic among the population (and the requisite institution of martial law). Al Bielek confirmed much in phone conv. this AM. Have fun! Dirk van Dijk ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- ---- You can contact me at: ykimared@televar.com ---------------------------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: AZ Date: 7/30/99 1:39:20 AM Pacific Daylight Time From: angelbooks@cybertrails.com (emanon) To: lemoine@mentor2000.com (Gregory L. Le Moine) CC: phikent@aol.com (Kent Steadman) Thanks for your efforts, Greg. I'd like to get a copy of the letter, too. As I mentioned somewhere along the way, I'm waiting for the guy who told me about it (who actually talked with one of the recipients) to arrive at his destination and get back to me by phone. In the meantime, perhaps we will turn up separate corroboration with all this interest generated by Kent posting it to his site. Didn't know he was going to do that - but I kindof gave him blanket permission to post whatever I send to him back during the Turret Peak "incident". I hate all the secrecy, the FBI (and other 3-letter boys) know of me and where I am, so it doesn't benefit me to remain anonymous. Lots of people have responded to this and somebody should be running across something soon. If I were in the area, I'd be going to the top of one of the mountains and asking residents about the letters. It may have looked similar enough to previous mailings for most people not to take notice, but this woman my source knows seems to be a little more on the ball (or maybe a little more paranoid). She asked around until she got some of the more interesting answers. And THAT's what fits with the information coming out of the informal meetings held last year between a small group of friends and one of the Phoenix city officials who had been briefed on FEMA plans for Phoenix. FEMA seems to think that Phoenix can serve as a buffer for several hundred thousand refugees from Calif. during a disaster. The kind of disaster I can imagine which would generate that many evacuees is primarily geological, secondarily social. If that happens then obviously there will be many federal higher ups who would be better off bailing out of Phoenix and going to a nearby area for the duration. The Rockefellers no longer have a large presence in that area (now in Venezuela, from other sources) so what's left is the general federal support system for this state - and not everybody is a Forest Service Ranger. If it were a bit closer to this area, I'd be talking to John Salvey (USFS) but he's here in Payson area and this kind of info is usually very compartmentalized, so he probably knows little, if anything about it. BTW, I notice you have a 474 prefix so I assume you're in the Payson area, yourself. If you have other contacts, perhaps you could select one or two trusted individuals and casually bring up the topic in conversation? Maybe lead into it as an aside about a "rumor" going around on the internet? My source's contact lives in "Lakeside" (actually it's two side-by-side communities generally referred to as Pinetop-Lakeside). That is not "on the mountain top" as my source indicated where the 1500 people are but perhaps her address is near enough to it or she has another address closer to the facility which would make her a candidate for the "other kind" of evacuation. We received a notice about evacuation in our area (Pine-Strawberry) a couple of months ago talking about the siren signal and where to go - but nothing about what to take - just which roads to take out of the area. Did you get an email referring to the article in the White Mountains area paper about the underground city? Part of text follows: [Last month I was in that area and picked up a local paper. In it was an article about an underground city approx. 17 miles north of Show Low (in the region) where crystals were coming up out of the ground on this man's private property of many acres. The man had been trying to get the government to stop looting of Indian burial grounds on the site. He had contacted many agencies with no response and was finally putting the information in the paper to get public awareness of the problem. It was full of other information mentioning black helicopters; a reported buried alien spacecraft and warnings from ex-government officials to "leave it alone". ] -Dirk P.S. Just heard while listening to Art Bell on KOB (Albuquerque) that there's going to be a "stand down" status at (Sandia Nat'l Labs? Los Alamos Nat'l Labs? White Sands? all three?) on August 3rd for training regarding terrorism and nuclear security and related subjects. Didn't catch all of it but it seems very coincidental that it's the day BEFORE the rumored move against the militia groups (reference the 101st and 82nd Airborne divisions stories in support of this).