Subj: You've probably heard about this, already..... Date: 98-11-06 10:35:24 EST From: Rubie2zDay To: Phikent ...but, just in case, thought I'd send it. Wondering why such and elaborate hoax? This might just be the explanation. Makes sense to me...but then what do I know? :/ (although, it doesn't cover Hoagland's Dec 7th issue) ------- I"If the European Parliament has its way, the lid is about to come off what is reputedly one of the most powerful, secretive, and extensive spy networks in history --....." ----------------------------- From: Paul Wittry ppw3@premier1.net Date: Fri, 6 Nov 1998 04:12:54 -0800 (PST) Fwd Date: Fri, 06 Nov 1998 09:17:25 -0500 Subject: Re: 'SETI' Signals From Intelligence Satellite Hello All, What is "Project 415"? Surprise, surprise, it's the mighty 'Echelon' system. What's that you say? Well, point your browser at: "http://jya.com/echelon-dc.htm" ECHELON: NSA's Global Electronic Interception http://jya.com/echelon-dc.htm Where was the "hoax" reported from? Oh, that's right it was England. Funniest thing, a few months ago there were some stories circulating on some Members of Parliment wanting to blow the lid off this "Echelon" system. Hmmmm. . . ============== From: Neal Furgurson nfurgurs@hsc.vcu.edu Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 08:48:53 -0500 Fwd Date: Thu, 05 Nov 1998 15:34:02 -0500 Subject: -[For The Record]- (SW Discuss) Art Bell Last Night Hoagland is pretty whacky sometimes... but... The discussion of "project 415" struck a chord with me, but I couldn't exactly place it. Then I remembered an article I had read from Filer's Files a week ago or so, concerning "Echelon",..... A HREF="http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/nov/m05-027.shtml"-[For The Record]- (SW Discuss) Art Bell Last... http://www.ufomind.com/ufo/updates/1998/nov/m05-027.shtml Here's an excerpt from Filer's Files #42 (10/27/98): NSA SPY SYSTEM ECHELON Niall McKay writes: If the European Parliament has its way, the lid is about to come off what is reputedly one of the most powerful, secretive, and extensive spy networks in history -- if, in fact, it really exists. This month, Europe's governing body will commission a full report into the workings of Echelon, a global network of highly sensitive listening posts operated in part by America's most clandestine intelligence organization, the National Security Agency. "Frankly, the only people who have any doubt about the existence of Echelon are in the United States," said Glyn Ford, a British member of the European Parliament and a director of Scientific and Technical Options Assessment, or STOA, a technology advisory committee to the parliament. Echelon is reportedly able to intercept, record, and translate any electronic communication -- telephone, data, cellular, fax, e-mail, telex -- sent anywhere in the world. The parliamentary report will focus on concerns that the system has expanded and is now zeroed in on the secrets of European companies and elected officials. The parliament is alarmed at reports of Echelon's impressive capabilities, and during a debate on 19 September, the European Union called for accountability. The parliament stressed that the NSA and the Government Communications Headquarters, which jointly operate Echelon, must adopt measures to guard against the system's abuse. International cooperation on law enforcement is important, Ford said, but there are limits. "We want to establish a code of conduct for the systems to protect EU citizens and governments." Across the Atlantic, Patrick Poole, deputy director for the Free Congress Foundation, a conservative Washington think tank, is preparing a report on Echelon to present to Republican members of Congress. "I believe it's time we start to bring this matter to our elected officials," he said. Poole and Ford have their work cut out for them: Neither Britain nor the United States will admit that Echelon even exists. An article called Eavesdropping on Europe. 9/30/98. Thanks to Bob Shell. ======================================================== Any thoughts? -- --------------==============*==============------------- If it seems weird to you... think what it looks like to NORMAL people! Neal Furgurson - nfurgurs@hsc.vcu.edu Visit the DirtBall website: http://www.geocities.com/hollywood/2130 *************************** SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL INC. (A Non-Profit Organization)