The keen observations below are not my words, but blamed-well well express my own feeling about the potential fallout from Heaven's Gate. Already Art Bell seems a witchburning target, probably Whitley Strieber, for sure the internet, and I already see intense disruption within UFO discussion groups. I felt the suicide deeply, emotionally, questioning my own vulnerability. But that's okay. I feel we simply have to draw from that old cauldron of courage, you know, from the old days when most "UFO nuts" were deemed lower than a "pinko-Commie." Forge on. Kent Steadman ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- "UFO" cults, "Religious" cults, "Life-style" cults, Political" cults, secret "Government" cults all have an anti-social and self-destructive effect. The association of any of these "subjects" with a cult doesn't necessarily mean that the premises or beliefs behind these subjects are to be avoided, or are false. It's when the underlying principles of any of thesesystems become so corrupted, distorted or extreme and purposefully or misguidedly used to control people that signals us something evil had reared it's ugly head again. The credibility of all the above systems gets tarnished when events of this type occur. But this ultimately has a purifing and strengthening effect on the belief system affected. The 39 members of this group (and their forerunners in Waco, and Jonestown) somehow lost touch with their own sense of self-preservation and morality. They surrendered themselves blindly to the maniacal will of a charlatan or some schizophenic charismatic figure. Or "perhaps" even were the victims of an sinister control force outside the group seeking to steer current public awareness in a false direction. The Heaven's Gate suicides is a tragic and stupid waste of lives. Mind control is a very nasty business which spreads its poisons beyond the deaths of these unfortunate victims. It attempts to undermine the most basic universal truths. For those who know and understand them, it can never change them. Truth doesn't demand sacificial offerings or needs to set an example. Truth never lies permanently buried. It has a track record of becoming self-evident to every generation. Lies ultimately catch up to and destroy the liar with a justice equal to their deed. It's high noon in UFOland. Those who "know" must look the beast in the eye, stare him down and force his hand. It's showtime. And the devil just blinked. Nsp97@aol.com Bopp 'til You Drop! http://members.aol.com/nsp97/bopp.htm Comment from email: a year or two from now we should all remind ourselves that you can have unshakable faith and confidence in anything, even B.S. This is area is sciences strongest area, where scientific investigation is a tool that seeks to seperate what you desperatly want or belive to be, from what actually IS (in the physical world, what goes on in your head is another matter). My reply: Yep, this event suddenly makes for a long string of baddies: 1. New Agers 2. Art Bell 3. Ed Dames 4. Courtney Brown 5. UFO believers 6. Believers in a savior, in ascension. 6. Webmasters and other internet fools. 7. Unorthodox groups of many shapes and sizes. 8. Anyone else dumb enough to question established view. Many pins are teetering. How convenient! Again from email with another friend: Friend: Hello, Phikent, yes, you are right....this is definitely one of the signs of the deceptive scenario..... Phikent: yes Friend: Yes, Phikent....it's exactly this kind of incident that will bring discredit to a lot of serious researchers such as you and I, right? Phikent: right, although I must admit something strange. This morning I came out of my dreams with a voice saying, "they WERE angels." Now that my rational mind has kicked-in I feel foolish, and yet . . . Friend: Yes, Phikent, a lot of things are mysterious even about this cult...sometimes I wonder if there are some intelligence agencies involved in some kind of "mind" control experiments, possible? using religious cults.....etc. Phikent: Right--I DO like to think of myself as invulnerable, but the technologies (dirty tricks) are awesome. Friend: I have always believed that "somebody" or "some network" could brilliantly manipulate people's thinking patterns and create and promote certain agendas or concepts, like the "alien" presence....what do you think? Phikent: possibly so. My own experiences intercede however. Don't know what to make of my sightings, but most willing to explore delusion. Friend: I don't think there was delusion.......indeed there ARE somethings that we just can't comprehend.... Phikent: I'm quite aware of technologies that could account even for motherships a mile wide. Give me non-ionizing weapons, a laser projector, a few aerosol drugs, why, even a dolt like myself could create a big illusion, maybe even the Second Coming. Phikent: not to mention years and years of cultural and academic programming. Friend: That's true......that's why I am saying that it is getting very difficult to distinguish between what is really supernatural and what can appear to be supernatural by using technology....the difference is getting smaller and smaller!! Phikent: Do you ever wonder if someone might set out to stage a fake and accidently pull off the real thing? Friend: Yes, I believe that two simultaneous events will take place, one a real one, and another one a fake one......to create an alternate scenario , or something!! Phikent: take HAARP, maybe designed for mind control, but because of it's untested impulse-Tesla-field might open a real gate. Phikent: In a way maybe even nuclear detonations did that. Friend: Yes, there are still many things that is unknown about this universe!! Phikent: Like you say, a wild time to be witnessing I swear if a Leprechaun walked into this room it may not phase me at all. Friend: Well, Phikent.....let's just see what will happen the next few weeks....do you think that power upgrades will be made on HAARP, perhaps in April? Phikent: Who knows for sure. There are other impulse energy facilities, Norway, Sweden. Had to buy a book to figure out what Tesla was up to in the first place. Incredible, if account is valid. Friend: Well, Phikent, thanks for talking with me......we will continue some other time again.....God bless you...