EDITOR'S NOTE:  Most recent posts listed at top of text. ----------------------------------------------------------- Subj: [*T*G*] Re: Palm Beach Sightings Report- on the Radio! Date: 97-05-31 02:30:31 EDT From: bataal@bataal.demon.co.uk (Bataal) Hello Joni and fellow TGer's, are you aware that in Britain there is a blanket ban on the reporting of UFO phenomena carrying the weight of law. If a radio or TV station report any of these things their licence to broadcast would be withdrawn. Best Wishes.. bataal@bataal.demon.co.uk ----------------------------------------------------------- Re: IUFO: Palm Beach UFO investigation update Date: Fri, 30 May 1997 21:38:37 -0800 From: "Steve Wingate" >On 30 May 97 at 15:35, Yellowrose wrote: > In reference to the military dropping flares, we need to consider > another possibility that this may be a tactic used by our government > to generate sighting reports. IF flares are being dropped for this > reason, we must question the agenda(s) involved. This began bugging > me last night after I read your post, Bill. UFOs appear. The public starts noticing this and some within the media begin reporting this. Then the Air Force drops flares. It's a disinformation play designed to make the people who saw real UFOs look like fools. Like Bill Hamilton said, don't buy it. The real fools are the dips**ts that gladly participate in this campaign to delude the public "for their own good". There is no punishment that is severe enough for these vile beasts'. God has something in mind for these lost souls. I would not want to be in their shoes when they move into the next dimension. Steve ----------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: IUFO: Palm Beach UFO investigation updateDate: Fri, 30 May 1997 16:58:54 -0700 From: Mark Cashman > From: Yellowrose , on 5/30/97 4:46 PM: >IF they don't want people to believe UFOs exist, the >government/military >might get people to report sightings of flares as UFOs only to turn around >and announce they were >actually flares and this might reduce the belief in >UFOs through embarrassment. IF they WANT people to believe in UFOs, they might >increase sighting reports by adding a few of their own "UFOs". What other reasons >might there be for this possible program? Anyone have any other  ideas? I suppose I lean toward what I call the "complex world hypothesis". In other words, the use of flares in these areas is just coincidental, happens frequently enough and hardly anyone notices. But when a UFO flap is in progress, it is seized upon as an explanation for the whole flap. When the flap is gone, the flares will still be used occasionally and will be no big deal,except that they will occasionally generate some IFO reports. I suspect the military personnel using flares don't think of them as anything unusual, and that they think seldom, if at all, about UFOs. After all, just because we are focused on UFOs doesn't mean that every level of the military is. I don't think the military policy on public belief in UFOs is as focused as it was in the '50s, the sense that "they don't want people to believe in UFOs". Besides, it would seem that was a lost battle, given public opinion. ----------------------------------------------------------- Subject: Re: IUFO: Palm Beach UFO investigation updateDate: Fri, 30 May 1997 15:35:41 -0500 (CDT)From: Yellowrose >This FLARE explanation is being passed around state by state. >Don't buy it. Suddenly, the military using flares over metro >areas? No way. We pressed the National Guard here. No flares. >Flare experts examined video. No flares. The Air Force wore >out the balloon explanation. Now they use the flare explanation. >It flares the imagination. Dear Bill: I want to point out, before I continue, that I am an investigator and researcher. Although I have expanded my realities to include all phenomena, I remain devoted to the empirical methods. I am not a debunker, I am scientifically oriented. I wish to address two aspects related to this issue. In reference to flares possibly being mistaken for UFOs, it has happened before and will probably happen again. I have seen video footage of what hundreds of people in Gulf Breeze were calling UFOs. When a high power telescope was used, it became obvious that there was a military plane dropping flares. However, not all UFO sightings in Gulf Breeze resembled these objects and many were clearly Unidentified Flying Objects. Ever since I saw this footage and how flares CAN look like UFOs from a distance, I have neither denied nor forgotten this possibility when examining other reported sightings. As investigators, we must never rule out any possibility until sufficient evidence has been gathered. I understand that because the "flare" theory has been presented and touted by the media in both the Arazona sightings and the Palm Beach sightings it is a source of irritation to you and others. It bothers me too. But, if photographs and/or video footage in any way resemble flares, we must never deny the possibility how ever unlikely it may be. It's OK to have more than one possible explanation especially when dealing with unknowns. In reference to the military dropping flares, we need to consider another possibility that this may be a tactic used by our government to generate sighting reports. IF flares are being dropped for this reason, we must question the agenda(s) involved. This began bugging me last night after I read your post, Bill. What IF the military IS dropping flares to either create a "UFO flap" or enhance an already on-going flap? What IF the Secret Government is using flares to make people think they are seeing UFOs in certain places where they are not or increase the number of sightings by adding their own "UFOs" to real UFO sightings? We already know many TV programs are being used to "educate" the public about UFOs and the alien presence. Could other "programs" be underway to promote these concepts through spin control projects? If you wanted people to believe in UFOs you might allow them to SEE more UFOs. You know, "Seeing is believing." It has always bothered me that our military would be dropping flares right over Gulf Breeze where so many UFOs were/are being sighted. If they didn't want people to believe in UFOs, surely they wouldn't make the situation worse by dropping flares that could be mistaken for UFOs?! I realize that sometimes flares are used in military practice maneuvers or for rescues but we must consider the possibility that some of these objects are being used to influence human paradigms. After all, if I were going to do some SOCIAL ENGINEERING, I'd use all kinds of techniques to influence and (spin) control public opinions. I'm NOT saying that the Arizona and Palm Beach sightings were only flares. I don't know what these objects were and will never conclude what they were not because we simply don't know and probably never will. I am wondering what agendas MIGHT promote UFO sightings through the use of official/unofficial hoaxes. IF they don't want people to believe UFOs exist, the government/military might get people to report sightings of flares as UFOs only to turn around and announce they were actually flares and this might reduce the belief in UFOs through embarrassment. IF they WANT people to believe in UFOs, they might increase sighting reports by adding a few of their own "UFOs". What other reasons might there be for this possible program? Anyone have any other ideas? Yellowrose ----------------------------------------------------------- <> This FLARE explanation is being passed around state by state. Don't buy it. Suddenly, the military using flares over metro areas? No way. We pressed the National Guard here. No flares. Flare experts examined video. No flares. The Air Force wore out the balloon explanation. Now they use the flare explanation. It flares the imagination. Bill Hamilton Executive Director SKYWATCH INTERNATIONAL Home e-mail: billh46088@aol.com, starmanbh@aol.com Work e-mail: bhamilto@pcshs.com SKYWATCH website: http://www.wic.net/colonel/ufopage.htm ALIEN MAGIC website: http://members.aol.com/billh46088/newhome.htm ----------------------------------------------------------- Editor's note: The following clip was taken from newsgroups by myself using Webferret, names withheld: >>The first time I saw them, it resembled a radio tower of tremendous height which was leaning over on its side. The lights were tiny and red, eventually flickering and fading out. Another time roughly at new year time, another group of orange glowing globes made the news. These I did not see, but some friends did. These were nothing like the floating flares. My guess was that these were probably actual hot air balloons at night, or weather balloons with flares or something illuminating them. And as I said, I am a believer, but these two incidents were certainly hoaxes.<< ----------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Palm Beach UFO update Date: 97-05-28 19:49:23 EDT From: Phikent To: DeeAOB@itol.com Hi All! I just took my son Stephen to school, and I have the radio on listening to my favorite morning show, on WHYI Y-100, here in Ft. Lauderdale. Guess what they are talking about.....the red lights sightings in Palm Beach Gardens over the weekend! They are really analyzing it! Bobby Mitchell and Footy the DJs must really read the internet....the engineer, Scott, of Y-100 seems to have taken a home video of the lights. They played the audio of people going "what is that" etc. Police said "it could have been flares" , the DJs are talking like they do not buy it! They are saying that one of the theorys that it is a cover up! A military coverup! I think that they are reading the internet! They are called the police dept. of Palm Beach Gardens up there! They wanted to know why the police are saying there aren't any reports when 100's of people have been calling into the police station! The URL for Y100 is http://www.gate.net/y100 This radio station is the only one reporting this, has the guts to do it, always a honest station that I always listen to! They are talking about the red lights still, and now they are interviewing people who saw the red lights. One of the person saw it from Vero Beach. The caller called the FHP. Footy is saying that he has 2 telescopes...he said that you can see balloons with a telescope...people said they didn't see any balloons...so they think it's strange! Anyhow, I am sending this out they are still talking about it............ Best Regards, Joni Kent's note: If the lights were moving, which they would have been in bad weather, it would have been hard to hold a scope on them. Keep in mind also that this event was somewhere around midnight, FLA time. ----------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: Ongoing Palm Beach UFO Investigation Date: 97-05-28 11:52:00 EDT From: CNINews1 To: Phikent CC: CNINews1 Kent, Thanks for this. I also tried talking to several sheriff's departments in the Palm Beach area. Most said they knew nothing about it. The Lake Park telecommunications officer ("Adams") did say they had taken calls about red lights "west of town" i.e. inland toward Okeechobee. Adams said he had heard it was flares on balloons, but he wasn't sure. Four other departments knew nothing. Best, Michael Lindemann ----------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Ongoing Palm Beach UFO Investigation Date: 97-05-28 06:06:21 EDT From: Phikent To: skywatch@mail.phoenix.net Joni Berkowitz, who lives near the site, is currently investigating the May 25th Palm Beach UFO flap: Hello All, I just spoke to John Flynn at WPEC channel 12 up in Palm Beach County. I asked him about the UFO sightings. He KNEW about it! He said, oh, there as been some.....can you call me back later, I am going to do the news right now. This is a really bad time, but call me at...and he gave me his number. He said that there have been red lights reported. At first the TV station (another woman who answered the phone) sounded very nervous, did not want to talk about it. Said, oh...that...there are no sightings...then I said I want to speak to someone in the newsroom...she put me through to John. The evacuation within the Sheriff's Office was due to a sprinkler system. Something about a fire. Anyhow, he told me to call back after he does the news at 7:30pm. But now you know that there are definite sightings up there in Northern Palm Beach county. Best Regards, Joni He told me to call back at 7:30pm. I called back and they put me on hold music playing. I held on a long time. So, I hung up and dialed again. This time an answering machine went on. I am going to call back on another line - because I have a Cellular phone. It is a local free call for me after 10pm. So, Kent, yes you can quote me, on the above...because that is what the person told me. I am going to try calling again! I am not giving up. I called the other affiliate station WFOR in Miami, the person there thought I was playing a joke! They wouldn't take me seriously! Boy is that frustrating. Anyhow I am going to try again, but you can use the above quote, Kent. Best Regards, Joni ----------------------------------------------------------- In a message dated 97-05-28 04:27:24 EDT, ferris4@earthlink.net (Stephen & Joni Berkowitz) writes: Hi All, I just got off the telephone with John Flynn again at WPEC Channel 12. Conversation: "Hi John, I am calling again about the red lights that were seen in Palm Beach County". Ah, I can't really talk right now, its a bad time.....I am going to do the news in 5 minutes. "I just want to ask you about the red lights" They are just ....ah...flares, yeah red flares with Helium Balloons attached to them. "John, you said that there was sightings, 100s of red lights" We had really bad weather here......flares, thats right...gotta go now. Call back around 7 tommorrow, can't talk right now. "Goodbye" So, thats it folks on the report of the Red Lights...BUT I also called the Sheriff's office, spoke to ID#4630 The lady there would not give her name, but confirmed that a Unit went out and saw it. No report was made. She said that Channel 5 in West Palm Beach had shown a home video of the lights. Can't get through to Channel 5 though! Best Regards, Joni >> Kent: Ummm, people down on their knees (original UFO Report Center) under hundreds of helium ballons with red flares in bad weather. Something fishy here. Interesting, huh? Those red flares attacked Phoenix too. Sounds like the above newscaster has been in the boss's office. Good work, Joni. You are amazing. ----------------------------------------------------------- UFO FLAP: INCOMING REPORT, PALM BEACH, FLA As reported by Peter Davenport, The National UFO Reporting Center, Sunday night, May 25. Peter Davenport, UFO Report Center just announced over Art Bell an ongoing flap near Palm Beach, FLA. (SUNDAY, MAY 25, 9:04 PM PST, FLAP ONGOING) NOTE: Report can be heard in Real Audio at: http://members.aol.com/capnkent/palm.html Kent Steadman Subj: Palm Beach flap also Sedona Date: 97-05-26 06:17:36 EDT From: Phikent To: NVBelle426 ----------------------------------------------------------- Hi Erin, Here's all the scuttlebut from last night. More will be coming in. Kent >Peter Davenport, UFO Report Center just announced over Art Bell an ongoing >flap near Palm Beach, FLA. Anybody heard anything? People are reported down >on their knees praying--this might be bigger than Phoenix. I know Peter; >he's a straight-shooter. >9:04 PM PST FLAP ONGOING > >Kent steadman > Hi Kent, Where in Palm Beach? I live in Broward County, and that is very close! Did they say what kind of crafts are there? Let me know, I live not too far from this! Joni >> Red lights! Sounds like Sedona was popping too. This is what I heard with an additional comment added by reporter: --------------------------------------------------------- PALM BEACH: Subj: UFOS IN PALM BEACH, FLA. Date: 97-05-26 00:23:21 EDT From: voltron@voy.net (Jon Locke) To: skywatch@phoenix.net This ties in with the last letter I sent titled ATTENTION - PEOPLE OF EARTH about "Scoffers will fall to their knees and pray." 100's of UFO sightings reported in Palm Beach, Florida at 9:30 EDT, May 25, 1997. According to Peter Davenport of National UFO Reporting Center, who called in to the Art Bell Radio Show Sunday night, The Sheriff in Palm Beach has been receiving calls. Reports say "people are falling on their knees and praying." Another caller later said, "The sheriff has seen the red lights. They are real." Mr. Davenport asks for anyone in the area to call him at 1-206-722-3000 National UFO Reporting Center. ************************************************* The Philosopher's Stone http://www.voy.net/~voltron/ ************************************************* --------------------------------------------------------- Editors note: the following theory is in reference to the Arizona sightings but might be relevant here: Subj: Skywatch: OHIO EXPLANATION SAME FOR ARIZONA? Date: 97-06-22 09:51:16 EDT >Perhaps the Arizona and Ohio Sightings were a combination of Overlay. > >"Another deeper understanding is revealed as one examines this pattern. >Every year there appear UFO reports that go beyond terrestrial >technology. I believe that our military is aware of this and has a >contingency plan in place. When a truly authentic sighting occurs, the >wheels of overlay begin to turn immediately. > >Before too much attention is drawn to the REAL sighting, the Black >Project boys are flying in our craft to divert and draw away >researchers and reporters to another location not far away from the >original sight(usually by a secure facility) in order to distract and >confuse the truth. For researchers, hot on the trail as hound dogs; the >dead end comes with an off limits area or hoaxed crop circle. In either >case, the truth gets diluted, and on most occasions, lost. > >For those who are willing to sacrifice truth for power, there can be no >peace. For those who are willing to sacrifice power for truth, eternity >will not hide their honor!" -From The Art of Overlay >http://www.nacomm.org/articles/overlay2.htm > >Best Regards, >Tim Hagemeister >Director-NACOMM~<>~ >www.nacomm.org > > Steve Neeley Ohio Regional Director Skywatch International http://www.wic.net/colonel/ufopage.html Hardin County Ohio Skywatch & Sighter Support http://www.geocities.com/soho/5782 stneeley@bright.net MIRC---Dalnet channel /join #ufo --------------------------------------------------------- Subj: Re: Palm Beach? Date: 97-07-14 12:33:24 EDT From: director@ufocenter.com (National UFO Reporting Center) To: Phikent@aol.com Dear Kent, Thank you very much for your message. I do apologize for the long delay in responding!! I have been terribly busy for the past two months, and have been out of town for half that... With 20-100 e-messages coming in every day, I can do only that which is the most pressing. We received only two more calls following the Art Bell program. The original information came from a journalist in the West Palm Beach area, and we confirmed it through the sheriff's office there. They said that they had several calls, but we were unable to confirm just what it was that people were looking at. Again, I am sorry about the delay. Nice to hear from you again. Where are you located now?? Cordially, Peter B. Davenport, Director